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Posted by ndodge
Feb 24, 2021 at 10:00 PM

 

How strong are the outliner features in Scrivener ?

Stephen Zeoli wrote:

>From your description of how you use ECCO, perhaps an app like Scrivener
>—incorporates an outliner, but really isn’t one—would work:
> >https://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivener/overview
> >Steve

 


Posted by Stephen Zeoli
Feb 24, 2021 at 10:25 PM

 

Great minds…

Chris Murtland wrote:
Nice simultaneous posts about Noteliner :-D
> >Also, I *think* you can run Ecco from a USB stick, although I’ve never
>tried it. You can get the “installation” files from
>https://groups.io/g/EccoPro (after signing up) - you don’t really have
>to install it, just extract it somewhere.

 


Posted by Stephen Zeoli
Feb 24, 2021 at 10:31 PM

 

Well, great for a wordprocessing app; mediocre for an outliner. You can build outlines pretty quickly and rearrange the nodes with drag and drop, including nesting the nodes. I know you said you didn’t use the columns of ECCO very much, but you do have access to a number of meta-data columns in Scrivener.

There is a free trial, so I would suggest giving it a run.

ndodge wrote:
How strong are the outliner features in Scrivener ?
> >Stephen Zeoli wrote:
> >>From your description of how you use ECCO, perhaps an app like
>Scrivener
>>—incorporates an outliner, but really isn’t one—would work:
>>
>>https://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivener/overview
>>
>>Steve

 


Posted by satis
Feb 24, 2021 at 11:25 PM

 

Stephen Zeoli wrote:
> Well, great for a wordprocessing app; mediocre for an outliner.

And occasionally problematic for a writing app, it seems. Although I own the app I do not use it, but someone I know who’s written over a dozen novels (and ghostwritten about that many more) recently lost several chapters and notes for a book when something in Scrivener got corrupted. She’s told me that she’s heard that this has happened to others she knows as well. She’s so gun shy she’s now abandoned Scrivener and is working with Pages + SaveTheCat (which to me seems like torture) as she builds out a couple of novels in progress from beat sheets. The change doesn’t seem to be bothering her, although she said she’ll probably look for something better later on this year.

 


Posted by SheetPlanner
Feb 25, 2021 at 12:29 AM

 

ndodge,
If using Mac OS is an option for you. Try SheetPlanner. it should be very familiar to Ecco users.

Over time we will add more and more of the power features that Ecco users loved.

Peter

ndodge wrote:
I’ve used Ecco Pro for many years, and it may be that finally
>I’m not able to run it at work (might need admin privileges to run
>after latest Windows update).
>I use only Windows for work, writing patent applications.  I use Ecco to
>dump a lot of potential content for the patent application, organize it,
>rearrange it, collapse/expand heavily, and often write preliminary
>paragraphs in Ecco, then move to Word.  I often use multiple tabs (are
>they called notebooks?  Can’t remember, and can’t open Ecco
>right now to check).  I also really like the ability to add another
>notebook to a window to get a side by side view of two outlines.
>It’s critical for me to have a clean interface, to avoid
>distraction.  I’ve tried InfoQube a few times, and I’m
>sorry, but the interface is just not for me.  I use Dynalist for
>managing personal todos, but haven’t used it for the larger amount
>of content my work would entail.  So I’m looking for options for
>my type of workflow, on Windows.  I don’t use Ecco to maintain,
>long term, a large database of items.  I use it to whittle down a large
>pile of information into eventual paragraphs, using basic expand,
>collapse, move, rearrange outline operations.  And although the single
>pane view is where I spend 90%+ of my time, the side by side view and
>multiple tabs are helpful.  I don’t use other Ecco features much,
>like columns or linking items between folders or filtering.  I do use
>styles occasionally, to make top level items stand out more.  I like the
>hotkeys to expand collapse items at different levels.  So, I know this
>gets asked now and then, but any hints on what my best options might be
>on Windows ?
> >Thanks in advance.
>

 


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