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Posted by bigspud
Sep 20, 2022 at 09:37 AM


hey @22111
I suppose you’ve got a take on the anglo-hebreic flame letter phenomenon?

Mr Amontillado, I always saw it as the old adage, that it isn’t art without a frame…. ‘cause it offers a heightened, or equally myopic, perspective. Excuse the tangent, but the wave forms on oscilloscopes are often given amplitude and frequency, when in reality they’re not nearly linear in space, -the peaks and troughs can often be seen weaker… We’ve got an understanding of the world based on that perspective of a waveform, yet, it’s partly a lie. How many writers are flirting with the ambition to tell the perfect lie, when they write fiction? Probs a lot. Take the ‘frame’ of a banal reality and the perspective it offers and twist it’s viewport into a story. How much more fun can we have?!


Posted by MadaboutDana
Sep 21, 2022 at 09:34 AM


@22111, I strongly recommend that you read Peter Watts’ extraordinary science-fiction series “Firefall” (the UK book includes both novels in one, in fact), which is an exploration of different models of mind and consciousness. He’s a former biochemist and one of those ridiculously intelligent people (like Neal Stephenson) who penetrate to the heart of things.

The novels are full of endnotes, too, backing up the very extensive research he did into psychophysiology (not to mention chemistry, physics, astronomy etc.), and explaining where he’s taken huge liberties or added significant layers of theoretical musing onto the current state of the art.

I think you’d love it!


Posted by Daly de Gagne
Sep 22, 2022 at 01:16 AM


Hi Bigspud

I am curious. What is the anglo-hebreic flame letter? Thanks.



Posted by bigspud
Sep 23, 2022 at 09:01 PM


the character forms that we use when writing had to come from somewhere, right?
Have you considered that that place needs to a very organised one? the shapes and proportions of our useable letters that carried through history were always unlikely to be arbitrary squiggles…

The flame is a shape arch-type. and a real shape too, apparently, though to find one would be “special”... basically its an expression of the golden mean, one of the few well known definable, but not scale repeating, patterns, - and the shape of letters are derived from the various perspective views of it. 

that shape is laid on a toroid. the base unit of self organising physics. The formative forces of the toroid (donut shape) are geometric in nature and represented by a dodecahedra. If you were to look at and derive constant, repeatable viewing angles of an organic shape (the flame) then imagine those planes of the 12 sided dodecahedron being flattened to the linear screen/paper/stone and the ‘prespective’ being recorded.
ok, so that gobbledygook makes little sense right…

The idea here is that the very fabric of material existence is represented in words. which is a recording of the tilt angles of our reality in time as we write. It’s supposed to reason that ‘what may be recorded..’ is an actual representation of us writing it, and a pillar of the idea of self-awareness…

tl:dr there’s lots of theories on how ‘letters’ came to be.. I just figured Mr 22111 like that esoteric stuff.

Daly de Gagne wrote:
Hi Bigspud
> >I am curious. What is the anglo-hebreic flame letter? Thanks.
> >Daly


Posted by Daly de Gagne
Oct 1, 2022 at 12:30 PM


Thanks for the reply!


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