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Posted by Amontillado
Jan 11, 2022 at 05:47 PM


steve-rogers wrote:
I tried to use TB a while back snd, while I found it to be
>very impressive, it just didn’t stick for me.

That was my initial experience. One thing I remember - and am reminded of - is that the default settings for Tinderbox give it a rather plain appearance.

A little fiddling goes a long way, though.

I like the way it has a hierarchy. When you go into a container, everything else disappears. I think that’s a good thing, at least for the planning/outlining tasks I want to try with Tinderbox.

Devonthink does everything I need. I can tag things like an outline hierarchy. I like that. I wish I could have a tag shown as a corkboard, though. Here’s hoping I can do things like that with Tinderbox.


Posted by Stephen Zeoli
Jan 12, 2022 at 11:13 AM


One of the knocks on Tinderbox was “how expensive” it is. But its price is beginning to look reasonable as apps like Roam Research are twice as costly per year. And unlike Roam, Tinderbox will still keep working even if you don’t renew your annual payment.


Posted by satis
Jan 12, 2022 at 02:33 PM


The two apps are not directly compatible, and Roam has always been an outlier in price compared to its direct competition.


Posted by Amontillado
Jan 12, 2022 at 03:30 PM


Regarding Tinderbox’s learning curve, I’m not so sure it should be that big a deal.

You can use it like a 3-D version of Scapple with almost zero investigation. There are immediate uses for Tinderbox without cracking the documentation.

Scapple is very nice and if that’s all I were going to do with Tinderbox the price would be too high.

But a Scapple that lets you stack workspaces, with links that are both visual and can be selected and navigated with context menus, and also lets you write very lengthy notes per object - that was worth the upgrade price of $98. To me, anyway. Particularly since Tinderbox is once again new and shiny.

Add automatic timeline generation, with in-place editing from the timeline, and outlines - that’s enough to make it worth the full price to me.

As a document warehouse, I’m not so sure I’d like it. It’s going to be hard to pull my cold, dead, hands off of Devonthink. Almost everything I want to do with Tinderbox, I can at least sort of do with Devonthink. I can do a one-step export to Aeon Timeline, and I’m pretty sure that with the excellent Easy Data Transform I could do an export to MindNode. To either product, by including DevonThink links, I could nearly get the edit-in-place of DT notes from either Aeon or MindNode.

If your mileage varies, I feel your pain. Mine does all the time, too. :-)

I suspect I may be able to make Tinderbox work as a to-do list that will suit me better than TaskPaper. For that, the fancier features of Tinderbox will prove useful.

It’s probably valid to say Tinderbox has an antique appearance. Ugly, even. I think I see usefulness that will more than balance out the zits and warts. It also has poor documentation, but I think there’s enough community support (and the aTbRef document) that will fill the gap.


Posted by Stephen Zeoli
Jan 12, 2022 at 04:27 PM


Not sure what you mean by compatible. Probably you mean comparable (undoubtedly a mistype). If that is what you meant, I disagree. Though they go about it differently, both are personal knowledge management apps. Roam has set the high end of the cost of such apps at $150 a year. Other online apps cost in the same ballpark.

Akiflow is $15 per month
Amplenote is $10 per month
Evernote is $8 per month
Milanote is $10 per month
Reflect is $160 per year

My only point here is that where Tinderbox once seemed expensive, it is now right in the middle of the pack price-wise. And, it keeps working just fine if you stop paying your annual renewal.

satis wrote:
The two apps are not directly compatible, and Roam has always been an
>outlier in price compared to its direct competition.


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