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Drummer browser outliner/blogmaker from Dave Winer (freeware)

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Posted by satis
Oct 18, 2021 at 01:14 AM


Looks like a remix/update of his browser-based Little Outliner,


Sign-on is using Twitter’s API. Winer says has no access to your password and Twitter gets no access to your outlines either.

The app saves files in OPML, and lets you output to insta-create a webpage he hosts. For free. Like this person’s:


As with all Winer’s projects he reserves the right to shut it down whenever he wants (as he’s done with other projects in the past). Still, it’s an interesting alpha-test product, and he’s putting a lot of time in it of late; here’s the app’s blog, with regular change notes:


Lots of updating, like the ability to use a custom domain they control for their Drummer blogs.


Winer says, “You can use Drummer at no cost. Further: Much of the software is open source. Why is it so inexpensive and will it always be that way? I don’t have big plans to take over the universe. I just want to make sure that outlining, web scripting and easy, fluid blogging are not lost arts. I have been very lucky in my career, so at this point, money, at least the kind of money it takes to operate Drummer, is not an issue. So let’s have fun and see where it takes us!”


Posted by Maurice Parker
Oct 18, 2021 at 01:28 PM


I wrote a blog post about Drummer, using an outliner for blogging, and how my outliner (Zavala) is going to participate in that space. https://vincode.io/2021/10/17/drummer.html


Posted by satis
Oct 18, 2021 at 05:16 PM


Interesting, Maurice!

FYI you might find this mobile app dream-list from Winer to be of interest:



Posted by Maurice Parker
Oct 18, 2021 at 06:51 PM


I saw that!

Unfortunately, the post content doesn’t match the title. He’s really asking for a web app that has a responsive design and can run on a mobile device. To do what he is asking for there would have to be a server side component. I’m not really down for building or paying to host that.

Dave’s famously anti-Apple, probably for good reason. But, Zavala is unapologetically an Apple ecosphere app. It uses iCloud for syncing and collaboration. The scripting capabilities are going to be based on Shortcuts, another Apple proprietary thing. I don’t think it is an app that Dave would necessarily find attractive.

Still, he has interesting ideas and it pays to listen to what he is saying.


Posted by satis
Oct 19, 2021 at 12:43 AM


Manton Reece just hook up MicroBlog to Drummer via the OPML bridge, wrote about it here (and mentioned Zavala):



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