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Posted by satis
Oct 23, 2021 at 12:18 AM
FYI Maurice, tonight I started playing with Zavala 1.2 on the latest version of Big Sur, and notice that the keyboard commands for Add Row Inside and Add Row Outside don’t work, although they do when chosen from the Outline menu.
Those commands are two of the most common I use when outlining…
Posted by Maurice Parker
Oct 23, 2021 at 11:43 AM
cmd-{ and cmd-} work for me as keyboard shortcuts. Were these the ones you were looking for or is there another common set of keyboard shortcuts for those commands that I haven’t implemented?
Is it possible that you have those keys mapped to something else, maybe using something like Keyboard Maestro?
If you were using cmd-{ and cmd-} and nothing is intercepting the keystrokes, then it might be a bug in Big Sur. I’m on Monterey and don’t currently have a instance of Big Sur installed somewhere that I can test. I’ll spin up a Big Sur instance if I can somewhere to fix it if you confirm that it is likely a Big Sur bug.
Posted by satis
Oct 23, 2021 at 03:55 PM
Nothing’s remapped via either Keyboard Maestro or System Preferences > Keyboard > Shortcuts. And I didn’t see the commands used in any of my many menubar utilities when I just checked.
It still could be some app, as some apps I use do permit global shortcut configuration in-app (like HoudahSpot, which has a menubar helper all) which makes it pretty difficult to trace conflicts. And annoying.
I intend to get a new Mac later this year and install all my apps from scratch this time - my system has tons of leftover app and system cruft since I’ve used Migration Assistant for all new machines since something like 2004! Hopefully any conflicts like this will disappear on the new M-series machine.
FYI one of the things I love about OmniOutliner is the ease with which one can rewrite existing shortcuts. I spent close to two decades using the outliner Acta (later sold and renamed DynoNotepad, then sold back to the original dev and renamed Opal, and now free at http://a-sharp.com/opal/opal.html ) and I have ingrained muscle-memory for commands like ‘Add Inside’ being Command-D (what Acta called a ‘Daughter’ back in the 80s). Much more convenient and easier to type than Omni’s silly choice Shift-Command-}
Posted by Maurice Parker
Oct 23, 2021 at 04:40 PM
I remembered that my wife’s laptop had Big Sur on it and I was able to test there. It worked fine. At this point, I suspect a keyboard conflict. That would be strange though. As you mentioned, it is a strange keyboard combination, and I would expect you to have the same problem in OmniOutliner.
I hear you about a clean install. I’ve got so much junk accumulated over the years in ~/Library that I’m going to start from scratch as well when the MBP I ordered gets here.
I’ll give some thought to adding keyboard remapping. On the one hand, I don’t want to complicate the app anymore than I have to. On the other, I want users to be able to migrate to using Zavala from other outliners. (This is why I come as close as I can to OmniOutliner keyboard shortcuts).
Posted by satis
Oct 24, 2021 at 12:24 AM
FYI I just relaunched the app and the keyboard commands suddenly are working now. Odd.
Just launched Terminal and saw my uptime is 29 days; often weird things happen when I don’t restart after a couple of weeks so maybe it had something to do with that.