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Posted by nathanb
Jun 18, 2019 at 03:12 PM
First, Garland Coulson is a dang cool name!
I’m intrigued at how much success you’ve had using it as CRM. I keep wavering between migrating some of our shared work excel lists to Airtable or Notion. Your description of ‘database meets wiki’ is perfect and it’s why I like Notion so much. I haven’t tried to create heavier relational databases (like a functional CRM) in Notion though. I think of Airtable as the gold standard of ‘no code’ custom light databases. I know that Notion tables aren’t as functional as Airtable’s nor does it have the reporting/charting/dashboarding functionality. But of course Airtable doesn’t have any knowledge base function beyond note fields in its tables and you can’t embed and nest content like Notion.
My impression is that if I try to build a fairly intricate relational database in Notion that it’d be fairly easy to accidentally break, especially if non-nerds are collaborating with it. Apparently your experience is different?
Also FYI, Notion reps have indicated that gantt charts and backlinks (“what links to here”) are on the horizon. I’m excited for those.
Garland Coulson wrote:
I use Notion every day.
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>While it isn’t perfect, what I love about it is that it lets me create
>my own solutions for myself and my clients. I usually describe it to
>people as database meets wiki. I use it for task management, CRM,
>workflow process management, checklists and a lot more.
Posted by thouqht
Aug 10, 2019 at 01:14 PM
Not sure I saw this mentioned anywhere in this topic, but one of the main reasons I’m considering a major switch to Notion is that it allows for real time collaboration. Out of all the tools I’m aware that allow for this, Notion by far has the most robust feature set for organizing data.
Posted by Simon
Aug 15, 2019 at 07:15 AM
I didn’t get beyond their privacy policy:
“As a condition of your use of the Service, you grant Notion a nonexclusive, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free, worldwide, transferable, sub-licenseable license to access, use, host, cache, store, reproduce, transmit, display, publish, distribute, modify and adapt and create derivative works (either alone or as part of a collective work) from your Content. As part of the foregoing license grant you agree that (a) the other users of the Service shall have the right to comment on and/or tag your public Content that you make available to them and/or to use, publish, display, modify or include a copy of your public Content that you make available to them, and (b) we have the right to make any of your public Content available to third parties, so that those third parties can distribute, make derivative works of, comment on and/or analyze your Content on other media and services (either alone or as part of a collective work); except that the foregoing (a) and (b) shall not apply to any of your Content that you post privately for non-public display on the Service.”
https://www.notion.so/Terms-and-Privacy-28ffdd083dc3473e9c2da6ec011b58ac
That alone is enough to stop me from ever using Notion.
Posted by Paul Korm
Aug 18, 2019 at 01:21 PM
That is a really nasty policy. Goodbye Notion.
I favor Dynalist’s policy. Under “Data Ownership”:
“You own the data you put into Dynalist. By putting your information into Dynalist, you do not grant us any special rights with regard to that information.”
Simon wrote:
> I didn’t get beyond their privacy policy:
Posted by exatty95
Aug 18, 2019 at 02:35 PM
The Notion T&Cs also begin by stating that your data is yours. I think that the license verbiage quoted refers to information that is put into the general Workspace section. After that language was shared here, I moved everything into the Private section within Notion. Note the last clause of this long paragraph in the Notion T&Cs:
“As a condition of your use of the Service, you grant Notion a nonexclusive, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free, worldwide, transferable, sub-licenseable license to access, use, host, cache, store, reproduce, transmit, display, publish, distribute, modify and adapt and create derivative works (either alone or as part of a collective work) from your Content. As part of the foregoing license grant you agree that (a) the other users of the Service shall have the right to comment on and/or tag your public Content that you make available to them and/or to use, publish, display, modify or include a copy of your public Content that you make available to them, and (b) we have the right to make any of your public Content available to third parties, so that those third parties can distribute, make derivative works of, comment on and/or analyze your Content on other media and services (either alone or as part of a collective work); except that the foregoing (a) and (b) shall not apply to any of your Content that you post privately for non-public display on the Service.”
I don’t know enough to assess whether this language generally is similar to that of other websites with public and private sections. I did a quick check of Trello, where users can designate Boards as public or private. Here’s what Trello’s policy says:
“Please be aware that some boards can be made publicly available, meaning any content posted on that board, including information about you, can be publicly viewed and indexed by and returned in search results of search engines. You can check the board settings at any time to confirm whether a particular board is public or private.”
I don’t mean to suggest that Notion’s terms are better or worse than those of similar services. Unlike Trello, where Boards are designated as “Private” or “Public,” Notion seems to designate sections as “Private” or “Workspace.” At the very least, I think Notion should make it much clearer that anything not posted in the “Private” section can be shared.