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Posted by Achim
Nov 26, 2013 at 07:11 PM


Hi Peter,

did you try the “Make a Browser-based ebook” export-option in Mynoteskeeper? It does nothing else than creating a website with a navigation tree. Doesn’t look too bad - IMHO.

best regards


Posted by Tester
Nov 26, 2013 at 11:43 PM


Hello Achim,

thanks a lot for pointing this out.

You are right: By using the export option “Make a Browser-based ebook” you can easily create a website with a navigation tree!
(In my first test I only tried the option “Export to files” (choosing html as file type) and this option did not give me the navigation tree.)

In general the appearance and the work with “My Notes Keeper” seems to be quite pleasant (as far as I can judge from the short second test I made just now). The program does not differ very much from MyInfo I would say. Even the result as website is quite similar, including the smaller line spacing. But gradually I begin to feel accustomed to it. ;-)

But there is once more (as in so many other programs) a problem with Unicode: In the navigation tree of the website non-latin characters are not depicted correctly (or better: they are completely unreadable)! Everywhere else (in the text on the website, in the editor and also in the tree of the program) they are shown correctly. Obiviously Unicode is a great challenge. ;-) Anyway I think that this issue could be resolved when reporting it to the developers. But currently in this respect (= the full support of Unicode) MyInfo is obviously one of the very few outliners that work completely flawlessly.

Concerning the search function, “My Notes Keeper” is not ideal (for my needs) but I would say that it is more comfortable than MyInfo is (at the moment). For example with “My Notes Keeper” you can quite simply configurate if you want to search only within the titles (of the items), if you want to search for whole words only etc. For this purpose you must have activated the “Task Pane” (which is located at the right edge of the editor).

A big advantage of “My Notes Keeper” is his low price: For only 29,95 Dollars it seems to offer more or less the same functionality (including website export) that you will get with “MyInfo” only by using the Professional version whichs costs more than three times the amount!

Of course I do not know how good “My Notes Keeper” is in handling bigger databases (I tried it out only with 6-7 items). But if this worked also fine (and in case that the issue with Unicode is resolved) I think that it could be an attractive alternative to MyInfo (at least until in MyInfo will be implemented the refined search function).


Posted by MadaboutDana
Nov 27, 2013 at 10:03 AM


Perhaps you should take a look at OneNote, too?

As a translator and terminologist myself, I increasingly use OneNote to manage text. Not just because OneNote has a reasonably powerful (albeit fairly irritating) search engine (although the iOS version is actually rather good), but also because:

a) OneNote supports Word files effortlessly - in particular, I can copy and paste source text from one Word file on one side of the page, and target text from my translation (again, in Word) on the other side of the page, then tweak the text boxes until they are more or less aligned. Of course OneNote also supports many other file formats.

b) OneNote has a powerful multilingual OCR function, so if you’re translating from hardcopy (rare nowadays, I know) or a graphics-only PDF, it’s not a problem. You can further enhance the OCR by installing the sensational Onetastic extension.

c) OneNote can output pages as PDF files - effortlessly. This means you can use Adobe Reader’s very powerful multi-file search function to search through collections of PDFs of aligned texts. Increasingly, I create bitexts in PDF format (using OneNote or other methods, including various alignment tools) and then store them in appropriate subfolders so I can either search through a group of top-level folders or just one subfolder. I maintain such collections for a variety of clients, especially clients who tend to send me texts in different formats - you can produce PDFs of just about anything.

Sidenote: If OneNote can’t handle a particular PDF, I use an open-source utility (PDF Split and Merge) to interleave PDF pages (e.g. one page of German, followed by the equivalent page of English). I use PDF Xchange Viewer to set up the PDF files so both pages are shown automatically when the file is opened (Two-Page Scrolling View). Sorry, it’s a bit difficult to explain, but I’d be happy to discuss this in more detail for those interested.

d) OneNote is multi-platform. I sync all my OneNote files to my iPad. It’s extremely convenient! And OneNote for iOS is free. The synchronisation function is quite quick!

e) You can share OneNote notebooks over LANs and over the Internet.

f) OneNote is perfectly happy with foreign characters of all kinds - the full Unicode range and more.

Finally, OneNote is perfectly fine with Word tables. You’ll need OneNote 2010 or above, of course. The 2003 version is much less powerful, and also not compatible with the new 2013 version (2010 is). Also, 2010 happily interacts with SkyDrive.

I’ve become something of a reluctant convert to OneNote, which is staggeringly powerful! It could be even better, but makes up for many things by its sheer flexibility.


Posted by Achim
Nov 27, 2013 at 12:22 PM


Hi Peter,

glad I could help you a bit. So here’s some more:

Regarding the performance:
I tried to run a MNK-file with 20 MB of data from a 2.0. USB stick - not breathtaking fast but satisfying. From a HD, databases with 100 MB were no problem. Global full-text-searches need their time (few seconds) as MNK builds no index afaik.

Concerning search matters:
From your post I suppose you didnt’t discover the Find-As-You-Type-search yet. I think it’s even not mentioned in the Help File.
When selecting “All items” in the “View” menu you get a list of all (or you can choose a scope to search) item titles in the database. Now if you type your search string in the “Search” field (only lowercase), you get this list filtered in real time by the string you type. Doubleclicking leads you to the item.

Same goes for “All Attachments” below, where you can filter for certain attachment names.
Would be more convenient if it had an input box above the tree and not in a new (modal) window, but it’s pretty fast.

Yes that’s strange. If you copy some japanese characters from the editor into an item to rename it, they are shown properly - until you hit Enter or click somewhere else. Then they turn into question marks. Should be easy to fix for the author. MNK is based on Absolute Database, which provides full Unicode-support.

best regards



Posted by Tester
Nov 27, 2013 at 04:23 PM


MadaboutDana wrote:
> Perhaps you should take a look at OneNote, too?

Thanks for your info, MadaboutDana.
I could not find a possibility to download a trial version. As far as I can see, OneNote is a part of the whole Office Suite which you would have to buy completely. (see e.g. here: http://office.microsoft.com/en-gb/onenote/ )
And it seems that OneNote does not offer a possibility to export the database as a website.

Achim wrote:
>Regarding the performance:
>[...] From a HD, databases with 100 MB
>were no problem.

This sounds good. :-)

Achim wrote:
>Concerning search matters:
>From your post I suppose you didnt’t discover the
>Find-As-You-Type-search yet. I think it’s even not mentioned in the
>Help File.
>When selecting “All items” in the “View” menu you get a list of all (or
>you can choose a scope to search) item titles in the database. Now if
>you type your search string in the “Search” field (only lowercase), you
>get this list filtered in real time by the string you type.
>Doubleclicking leads you to the item.

Thanks for this useful hint. Indeed I did not discover this search possibility. On the whole, this is the way I would prefer the search! Of course an input box above the tree (as you also write) would make the search more convenient. That’s the way it is realized for example in Azzcardfile (plus some useful additonal search options).

But anyway I found a good intermediate solution:
You can transfer the command “All items” to the toolbar:
Right click on the toolbar—> Customize—-> Commands—-> Categorie “View”—-> Drag the command “All items” into the toolbar

By doing this you can open the window with the search field with one mouseclick.

By testing the software just now a second time, I discovered one more issue, now concerning the tree both in the website version and in the program itself: The german Umlaute are not accepted in the titles of the items (in the tree): “Ä” becomes “A”, “Ü” becomes “U” etc. (But when searching by typing an Umlaut, the search is nevertheless successful.) 


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