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Posted by 22111
Oct 16, 2013 at 05:59 PM


Of course, the “go to the item of the secondary pane” command should be a toggle, switching from first item to secondary one, and vice versa: “go to other pane’s item”. This will greatly facilitate your having more than one target item, for switching between them within the second pane, and to go back to your respective source items (supposing sources and targets groups are in quite different locations of your big tree).


Posted by Jon Polish
Oct 16, 2013 at 06:00 PM


22111 wrote:
Thank you, Jon. So (and if I understand correctly), any second program
>could be loaded, with a file referenced in the UR tree; the advantage
>here would be that the external file would be readily accessible,
>instead of searching for it in the file system.

That is correct. Of course, UR has to be configured, but this is a simple enough procedure.



Posted by Pierre Paul Landry
Oct 18, 2013 at 08:13 PM


FYI, the next version of InfoQube supports multiple editing panes (this thread inspired me to add this feature)

Testing is currently underway, so expect it to be released early next week.


IQ Designer


Posted by jimspoon
Oct 19, 2013 at 05:47 AM


Thanks very much to all who have replied - your replies led me to look more closely at some of the programs you mentioned (particularly Acute Notes, Sense, Whizfolders, and Scrivener).  I was really thinking about the ability to view multiple items at the same time in a single pane, rather than multiple panes.  I was glad to read about the “multiple items in mulitple panes, one per pane” options as well.

So many of the two-pane “outliners” we see have no “outlining” functions available in the editor pane itself.  So called “single-pane” outliners - where a tree is integrated into the editor itself - not only allow me to see the content of multiple items in a single pane, which is only the first step - but also the ability to split/join items, promote/demote, and reorder items while seeing their full text.  In the usual two-pane outliner, you can’t split/join items, and the only way to promote/demote and reorder is to move to the “tree pane” where you work with “item names” only, and not the actual text of the items.  And moving text between items is especially cumbersome - you have to cut text from one item, select another item in the tree, and paste the text in the desired location in the other item.  This is so easy in a single-pane outliner. 

These abilities make so-called single-pane outliners (where “outlining” is actually integrated into the editor) much more useful to me than most “two-pane” outliners.

And yet many of the single-pane outliners seem to be lacking in the kind of database functionality I want; many of the two-pane “outliners” excel at that.  Often I think - if only these programs (e.g. Ultra Recall, Zoot, MyInfo, MyBase, TreeProjects, etc) would integrate the outliner tree into the editor, I’d have a lot more to choose from.

As it is, the only Windows programs I know of that approach what I want are Ecco and Infoqube.  (OmniOutliner for Mac looks good but I’m pretty wedded to Windows).  Ecco is great but I can’t confidently throw my data into it because it can handle only a limited number of items - far fewer than what I generate over time.  Maybe Infoqube is the solution for me but I would like to have more competitors in the field.

Maybe I am wrong but it doesn’t seem like it would be that big a deal for the two-pane developers to integrate the tree into the editor.  It seems they don’t understand the importance of the capabilities that single-pane outliners provide.



Posted by jimspoon
Oct 19, 2013 at 05:58 AM


on a different aspect of the topic - I thank you for introducing me to Scrivener and its Scrivenings view.  I have occasionally looked for a program that would display and edit the contents of multiple files in a single pane as if they were a single file.  I had seen a utility for *viewing* the contents of multiple files in a single pane - Depeche View - http://depecheview.com/ - but not one that allowed editing. 


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