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Posted by Chris Murtland
Mar 10, 2013 at 04:41 AM
Dr Andus wrote:
>I’ve been having trouble finding a satisfactory to-do list system for
>PC+iOS, as the traditional hierarchical lists (ToodleDo, WunderList,
>Apple’s Reminders) just get cluttered too quickly and become
>increasingly less usable. I always end up using several at the same
>time, and none properly.
>
>But just playing with the Workflowy iPod/iPad apps for a few minutes
>today, I started to get a sense that maybe Workflowy could really be the
>solution to my problems. By being able to zoom in (hoist) at any level
>and being able to tag items like #URGENT etc., the disadvantages of
>hierarchical organisation disappear.
Yeah, it really has a feeling of minimalism and speed to it. That is useful to me in a task manager, because I find I end up fiddling around too much or getting distracted by the software itself if there are a lot of fields and settings to slog through. It essentially works as fast as I can type, and, as you say, hoisting + filtering by tags really keeps it from feeling messy.
Posted by Dr Andus
Mar 11, 2013 at 11:00 AM
Chris Murtland wrote:
>1, Workflowy - It took me a while to warm up to this one, but with the
>>addition of an iPad and iPhone, being able to outline anywhere, at all
>>times, sold me on it. It has weaknesses (can’t multiple select items,
>>for instance), but overall it reminds of BrainStorm or Ecco.
USD49 annually is a bit steep though for the Pro version of what still seems a beta in many respects (if we compare it to the free or very cheap other iOS apps). On the other hand the unlimited hierarchies and hoisting are pretty ingenious. I’ll have to see when I run out of my free 500 monthly tasks…
Posted by Stephen Zeoli
Mar 11, 2013 at 11:24 AM
Dr Andus wrote:
>USD49 annually is a bit steep though for the Pro version of what still
>seems a beta in many respects (if we compare it to the free or very
>cheap other iOS apps). On the other hand the unlimited hierarchies and
>hoisting are pretty ingenious. I’ll have to see when I run out of my
>free 500 monthly tasks…
An important consideration, it seems to me, with one of these subscription-based web apps is where are you if the company goes out of business, raises their prices, changes their policies, changes their system in ways you don’t like, proves to have porous security, or you just can’t afford it any more? Is all the data you’ve put into the app/system still useful? Can it work fine locally on the apps on your devices? Can you keep it sync’d in other cloud-based systems like Dropbox? Is it readily exportable to other formats for use in other apps?
I guess what I’m saying is that I’m not that comfortable with relying so heavily on some faceless company to keep my work safe and accessible.
I’m not suggesting anything in particular about Workflowy, which I’ve tried and liked. This is just a general comment about any such cloud-centric PIM.
Steve Z.
Posted by Dr Andus
Mar 11, 2013 at 12:41 PM
Stephen Zeoli wrote:
>An important consideration, it seems to me, with one of these
>subscription-based web apps is where are you if the company goes out of
>business, raises their prices, changes their policies, changes their
>system in ways you don’t like, proves to have porous security, or you
>just can’t afford it any more? Is all the data you’ve put into the
>app/system still useful? Can it work fine locally on the apps on your
>devices? Can you keep it sync’d in other cloud-based systems like
>Dropbox? Is it readily exportable to other formats for use in other
>apps?
>
>I guess what I’m saying is that I’m not that comfortable with relying so
>heavily on some faceless company to keep my work safe and accessible.
>
>I’m not suggesting anything in particular about Workflowy, which I’ve
>tried and liked. This is just a general comment about any such
>cloud-centric PIM.
Hi Steve - I agree with your general points. Thanks to its simplicity (so far), this is not as much of a problem with Workflowy, as the Pro version comes with Dropbox backup and even in the free version it’s very easy to export it as a simple list (though one would need to remember to do that regularly).
I’m just moaning about the size of the annually recurring price tag for a service that is still rough around the edges…
Posted by Dr Andus
Mar 11, 2013 at 04:51 PM
Dr Andus wrote:
>USD49 annually is a bit steep though for the Pro version of what still
>seems a beta in many respects
Well, everything is relative. I’d just unwillingly participated in Wunderlist’s strange market research gimmick, whereby they send you an email entitled “Wunderlist Pro: Your early access pass”, with a button saying “Purchase Wunderlist Pro now for USD4.99/mo,” and when you click on it, they say:
“This was a test to see which pricing point our users like best. To show our appreciation for your help, we would like to give you: 3 months of Wunderlist Pro for free!Please enter your email address below, and we’ll let you know as soon as your free 3 months of Wunderlist Pro are ready.”
I’m not amused. Moreover, the normal annual cost would come to USD59.88, which is 10 dollars more than Workflowy. I haven’t been all that impressed with Wunderlist 2, so if I was forced to choose, I’d definitely go with Workflowy.
And this underhanded marketing research/promotion effort put me off even more.