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Best software for visually diagramming a series of martial art strategies?

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Posted by Dr Andus
Jan 22, 2023 at 12:29 AM

 

I was going to recommend a concept mapper such as VUE or CmapTools, but they’re not cross-platform, and I imagine in a life-or-death combat situation, such as a street fight, having a mobile iOS or Android app with a powerful search function would be critical.

 


Posted by digeratus
Jan 22, 2023 at 03:49 AM

 

Exactly. I think you’ve explained it well, thanks.

MadaboutDana wrote:
This is actually a very sophisticated requirement – one you’d
>normally want dedicated software to achieve. Knowing a bit about martial
>arts myself, I can see a whole lot of ramifications of the various
>scenarios you’ve described. Not least, how best to describe them so
>users can “hook in” to the bits most immediately relevant to what
>they’re trying to do. The combination of visual flows plus an underlying
>database for instant referencing is already complex – the
>option to fork into multiple possible responses, and then immediately
>fork again, well, that’s really heavyweight stuff. That’s because
>certain paths are going to converge with some paths, while other paths
>are going to diverge into their own specific areas. So you’ve got to
>take duplication/repetition into account as well.
> >I’m not at all convinced Flying Logic is powerful enough to do this
>– but it may be. Whether it also supports the appropriate
>visualisation I don’t know. I can’t immediately think of any software
>that could do what you’re describing, although I can think of various
>software components that could be combined to build a tool for this kind
>of visualisation.
> >Any programmers in the forum with insights into the underlying
>requirements?

 


Posted by digeratus
Jan 22, 2023 at 03:49 AM

 

Thanks for the thoughts so far!

As to the below question, I think you’re right that the visual rendering would likely be critical in making the result intelligible. Unfortunately, however, I have to say, I’m not entirely clear on what such an image would look like! I think part of it is that I hope such a tool would give me interesting new views of the underlying information that I haven’t yet anticipated and that would be useful. If I really played this out in great detail, I suspect the resultant decision model would be complex… I might not want to see it all at once in all its characteristics. I might want to see certain paths, certain situations, filter on certain attributes… I’m hoping the right software would help me do all this, would even give me ideas that I didn’t have as to how to view this in new ways.

Alexander Deliyannis wrote:
This is a very interesting use case!
> >I can understand the technical requirements, but I think that the actual
>visual rendering may be quite important in making the end result
>usefully inteligible.
> >Could you point us to 1-2 examples of an image which you consider
>suitable? It could be from a different thematic area, i.e., non
>martial-arts related.
> >
>digeratus wrote:
>>But I want to be able to have “situations” which can be referred to in
>>multiple places in the diagram… (e.g. he has my sleeve and lapel, and
>>I have his),  since many situations would be reachable via multiple
>>roads. Those shouldn’t need to be duplicated.
>

 


Posted by digeratus
Jan 22, 2023 at 03:54 AM

 

Well this would be for studying at leisure, not use during a fight itself, so a mobile app is not necessary. So these are interesting ideas, thanks.

Dr Andus wrote:
I was going to recommend a concept mapper such as VUE or CmapTools, but
>they’re not cross-platform, and I imagine in a life-or-death combat
>situation, such as a street fight, having a mobile iOS or Android app
>with a powerful search function would be critical.

 


Posted by Andy Brice
Jan 22, 2023 at 12:19 PM

 

Dr Andus wrote:
> I imagine in a life-or-death combat
>situation, such as a street fight, having a mobile iOS or Android app
>with a powerful search function would be critical.

“Wait while I consult my Hong Kong book of Kung Fu”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LY5kGuruKY

;0)

As a professional programmer and (mostly lapsed) ju-jitsu black belt, I think you best bet is to have a separate flow chart for each situation (lapel grab, front kick etc) and accompany each possible response branch with a image. You see a lot of these 3-4 image sequences in old martial arts books. But perhaps video is a better format.


Andy Brice
https://www.hyperplan.com
https://www.easydatatransform.com

 


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