Lady Bumps and Data Dumps
Started by 22111
on 7/10/2022
22111
7/10/2022 7:20 am
(Lady Bump: Gertrude Wirschinger-Silver Convention 1975...)
I sometimes wonder why, and especially HOW?, so many people can live with the Apple paradigm (= "Apple's always right, so the customer is always wrong" - most, rare, exceptions to the rule then by court, class actions where they apply...),
and especially with those iPads, be it "Mini", be it "Pro", and the newest bad news about them's here: https://www.heise.de/news/iPad-mini-6-Laden-stockt-nach-Update-auf-iPadOS-15-5-7166176.html - they refuse to load...
... and then vendors in stores, be them crooks, be them just helpless but fanboys-'n'girls all the same, try to sell you a NEW one, as a replacement for your iThing just a year old...
Now they ain't worth really much indeed, since the Swiss sometimes sell them - not the Minis, but the basic ones - new and down to under 260 Stützli (that's what they call their Swissfranc), and that's about 220 or 210 Euro = Dollar (US), incl. VAT that is... but of course, Swiss remaining being Swiss, they'd never deliver their paddies abroad... so you have to buy them in the European Union for almost double that price (was it 380 or 390, or even 399€, incl. VAT again?)... (It all goes into their life-long AppleCAR development, or then not?!!!)
Now, if you read the comments (!) in the link, you will find that the problem obviously is neither linked to 15.5, nor to "Mini", but that it's just there that it has become so common that the masses have become aware of it, but anyway, for dumping some data for it becoming available "on the road, for a pedestrian", it's just the "Mini" that may be acceptable, or then, the screen and virtual kb size factor almost being negligible between the two, you'll use your iPhone anyway.
Now, I'm - not proud, but 300 % disenchanted - owner of two Nokia Communicators 9210i, together with all the "necessary" - expensive - software, database, ToDo app, etc. - only the best, and I had to buy them twice, everything, since in the time, phone software was bound to the phone; the speed was bad-bad-bad, and the data transfer was done by infrared or what was it called again, not "parallel", the other one: slow-slow-slow; today, they are unusable, since nobody makes the necessary batteries anymore...
Now I understand that probably 90 p.c. of forum users have got data subscriptions, and have their (core) data safely (hahaha!) stored in the web, and thus, they live with the recurring problem that only SOME software makers have transposed their Mac(book) software to iPad (whatever size), and that in most cases, on iPhone, that iPad software either doesn't run to begin with, or then, makes a somewhat really awful "user experience"...
And that respective, often quite doubtful, "transposition quality" will then make that you crimp-crimp-crimp, since you want to have an "optimized" user experience on BOTH devices, and thus, any, even minor, "development" of the tool, be it here or there, literally electrifies you, instead of your simply and finally realizing that you just need your cherished "Book", and that your "Pad" is just good as a more or less "educational" toy for your deluxe 3-year-old!
Since, wherever you realistically could handle an iPad (in your car (there are cheap car tablets, to hang into your steering wheel, and to place your laptop, or meal, or whatever onto - if your car is big enough for you to slide your seat sufficiently to the back...) in your or your customer's office / conference room, in your bed...), you could easily handle your cherished MacBook, but if you try to look something up in a (e.g. book) store (e.g. if you already own that damn book, CD, DVD or not, and believe me, if your collections at home get into the higher 5 digit numbers, that'll become a REAL problem!), yes, then you will finally "need" an iPad...
and the other customers will promptly approach you with their then unavoidable "Good day, where will I find...?" - thus, here again, your cherished iPHONES will be the right instrument.
Now back to Android, bah!, but then it's obvious that on those tiny phone screens, Apple or whatever maker, you realistically can just handle core data, e.g. look up lists or similar for whatever reason, and yes, I understand that you'd prefer even that core data to be up-to-date, i.e. coming from the "cloud", so if you have a data subscription with your "provider", and a cloud "account", and live in some "civilized" country, that's the way to go, just be aware that even with Apple Cloud, your data is NOT encrypted against Apple, it's just encrypted against those third parties Apple doesn't work together with, hahaha! (And that's a proven fact, not paranoia, blatant info all over the web to back my assertion.)
Now, for those among us which are not happy with cloud storage, all the less so with the phone operator, we need data dumps, and things get even more complicated, and we end up searching for "(best) iPhone/Android csv viewer"... and then, I very much hope for the iPhone users they have got something decent, but for Android (phones or tablets), there is no such thing:
They all recommend you "CSV File Viewer" (by The AppGuru) as being the very best one on there, and some even say it's "awsome", while in fact it's a piece of crap:
There is a reason why you MUST use your phone in "landscape" position for it, see below; then: While it's free, you can read just 2 lines and a half (which makes it 2 lines) without scrolling, while above those, incredibly intrusive advertisements BLINK all the time, so even for trialing, you buy that crap (3€).
Then, those BLINKING ads go away, but instead, you see a black stripe now, the size of the former ads, so again, you are at 2 1/2 lines visible, or then, at every "session", you again "buy" (without paying) now, and after getting "You already bought" or something (I cite from memory), you press "Cancel", and then, the black bar goes away, making room for some more data - as said, that's necessary every single use...
Then - there are multiple reasons for the "just 2 lines and a half", mind you! -, there is some "functional" bar on top you can't do away with, and even worse, there's an ever much thicker "functional" bar on the bottom you could hide in theory only, since the "filter" button is only there (or then also in a drop-down menu from the "top bar" but which would make every single "filtering" two precise clicks, before even getting to the input field, instead of just one, much more approximate, in the enormous bottom bar).
Since in the top bar, there's just a button for "Find" (or "Search", whatever), and that just gives you the results one-by-one, and obviously, you want - need! for some authors, I have got 15 books, but not all of them! - a result LIST, not to have (in some cases) to press "next find" 15 times in a row...
Then, of course, the very first line, even in "Filter", is wasted by the very first line of your data, whatever that is, so even when you don't need columns (but text lines), it just and always displays your very first text line there, but anyway, it will create total HAVOC for your text lines if you don't create at least 2 or 3 tabs within your very first line (record), AND (!) replace ALL commata by ";" (or by something else, but ";" are least disruptive).
And now for one of the craziest things you will have heard in your life: Either for every single (! not session, as before, but) "Filter" (i.e. for every single look-up) this piece of crap goes back to its "text" default, i.e. to "center", and you either "live with it" (hence the need to use your phone in landscape mode then, or you will "see nothing", since it will systematically hide your core data, since it will only show the very first part of the author's name, no works' names anymore if your data e.g. is in the form
author's family name; (!)their first name (year) work title (some other metadata),
or you set, in some menu (several precise clicks), the alignment to "left" for every single look-up - so much for "crazy defaults", let alone settings persistence...
And, remind yourself, the "web" is unanimous: this piece of crap is considered "the very best" - good heavens!
Now, fortunately, I have found an almost perfect alternative, and which displays the records in full, in "portrait mode", very much readable, about 10 or 12 at the same time without scrolling (for my record lengths), and with just a tiny bar for the filter input and trigger, and I'm quite happy with it (here again, you can't "filter" for "and", but in practice, the need for that rarely arises).
Both ain't available for iThings, so I hope you've got some iPhone app, at least as good as my Android alternative, for such filtered list display, and will share? So that yes, you could say that beyond Mac(Book)s, and whilst iPads may be hygienic articles in the end indeed, iPhones have their justification, just as Android "smartphones" then have, IF you spend hours, days, searching for solutions, instead of following CRAP recommendations that is.
But then, yes, if your are a timid, single man, an'into book-worms, 260 Stützli or even 400€ might be a very sly investment!
I sometimes wonder why, and especially HOW?, so many people can live with the Apple paradigm (= "Apple's always right, so the customer is always wrong" - most, rare, exceptions to the rule then by court, class actions where they apply...),
and especially with those iPads, be it "Mini", be it "Pro", and the newest bad news about them's here: https://www.heise.de/news/iPad-mini-6-Laden-stockt-nach-Update-auf-iPadOS-15-5-7166176.html - they refuse to load...
... and then vendors in stores, be them crooks, be them just helpless but fanboys-'n'girls all the same, try to sell you a NEW one, as a replacement for your iThing just a year old...
Now they ain't worth really much indeed, since the Swiss sometimes sell them - not the Minis, but the basic ones - new and down to under 260 Stützli (that's what they call their Swissfranc), and that's about 220 or 210 Euro = Dollar (US), incl. VAT that is... but of course, Swiss remaining being Swiss, they'd never deliver their paddies abroad... so you have to buy them in the European Union for almost double that price (was it 380 or 390, or even 399€, incl. VAT again?)... (It all goes into their life-long AppleCAR development, or then not?!!!)
Now, if you read the comments (!) in the link, you will find that the problem obviously is neither linked to 15.5, nor to "Mini", but that it's just there that it has become so common that the masses have become aware of it, but anyway, for dumping some data for it becoming available "on the road, for a pedestrian", it's just the "Mini" that may be acceptable, or then, the screen and virtual kb size factor almost being negligible between the two, you'll use your iPhone anyway.
Now, I'm - not proud, but 300 % disenchanted - owner of two Nokia Communicators 9210i, together with all the "necessary" - expensive - software, database, ToDo app, etc. - only the best, and I had to buy them twice, everything, since in the time, phone software was bound to the phone; the speed was bad-bad-bad, and the data transfer was done by infrared or what was it called again, not "parallel", the other one: slow-slow-slow; today, they are unusable, since nobody makes the necessary batteries anymore...
Now I understand that probably 90 p.c. of forum users have got data subscriptions, and have their (core) data safely (hahaha!) stored in the web, and thus, they live with the recurring problem that only SOME software makers have transposed their Mac(book) software to iPad (whatever size), and that in most cases, on iPhone, that iPad software either doesn't run to begin with, or then, makes a somewhat really awful "user experience"...
And that respective, often quite doubtful, "transposition quality" will then make that you crimp-crimp-crimp, since you want to have an "optimized" user experience on BOTH devices, and thus, any, even minor, "development" of the tool, be it here or there, literally electrifies you, instead of your simply and finally realizing that you just need your cherished "Book", and that your "Pad" is just good as a more or less "educational" toy for your deluxe 3-year-old!
Since, wherever you realistically could handle an iPad (in your car (there are cheap car tablets, to hang into your steering wheel, and to place your laptop, or meal, or whatever onto - if your car is big enough for you to slide your seat sufficiently to the back...) in your or your customer's office / conference room, in your bed...), you could easily handle your cherished MacBook, but if you try to look something up in a (e.g. book) store (e.g. if you already own that damn book, CD, DVD or not, and believe me, if your collections at home get into the higher 5 digit numbers, that'll become a REAL problem!), yes, then you will finally "need" an iPad...
and the other customers will promptly approach you with their then unavoidable "Good day, where will I find...?" - thus, here again, your cherished iPHONES will be the right instrument.
Now back to Android, bah!, but then it's obvious that on those tiny phone screens, Apple or whatever maker, you realistically can just handle core data, e.g. look up lists or similar for whatever reason, and yes, I understand that you'd prefer even that core data to be up-to-date, i.e. coming from the "cloud", so if you have a data subscription with your "provider", and a cloud "account", and live in some "civilized" country, that's the way to go, just be aware that even with Apple Cloud, your data is NOT encrypted against Apple, it's just encrypted against those third parties Apple doesn't work together with, hahaha! (And that's a proven fact, not paranoia, blatant info all over the web to back my assertion.)
Now, for those among us which are not happy with cloud storage, all the less so with the phone operator, we need data dumps, and things get even more complicated, and we end up searching for "(best) iPhone/Android csv viewer"... and then, I very much hope for the iPhone users they have got something decent, but for Android (phones or tablets), there is no such thing:
They all recommend you "CSV File Viewer" (by The AppGuru) as being the very best one on there, and some even say it's "awsome", while in fact it's a piece of crap:
There is a reason why you MUST use your phone in "landscape" position for it, see below; then: While it's free, you can read just 2 lines and a half (which makes it 2 lines) without scrolling, while above those, incredibly intrusive advertisements BLINK all the time, so even for trialing, you buy that crap (3€).
Then, those BLINKING ads go away, but instead, you see a black stripe now, the size of the former ads, so again, you are at 2 1/2 lines visible, or then, at every "session", you again "buy" (without paying) now, and after getting "You already bought" or something (I cite from memory), you press "Cancel", and then, the black bar goes away, making room for some more data - as said, that's necessary every single use...
Then - there are multiple reasons for the "just 2 lines and a half", mind you! -, there is some "functional" bar on top you can't do away with, and even worse, there's an ever much thicker "functional" bar on the bottom you could hide in theory only, since the "filter" button is only there (or then also in a drop-down menu from the "top bar" but which would make every single "filtering" two precise clicks, before even getting to the input field, instead of just one, much more approximate, in the enormous bottom bar).
Since in the top bar, there's just a button for "Find" (or "Search", whatever), and that just gives you the results one-by-one, and obviously, you want - need! for some authors, I have got 15 books, but not all of them! - a result LIST, not to have (in some cases) to press "next find" 15 times in a row...
Then, of course, the very first line, even in "Filter", is wasted by the very first line of your data, whatever that is, so even when you don't need columns (but text lines), it just and always displays your very first text line there, but anyway, it will create total HAVOC for your text lines if you don't create at least 2 or 3 tabs within your very first line (record), AND (!) replace ALL commata by ";" (or by something else, but ";" are least disruptive).
And now for one of the craziest things you will have heard in your life: Either for every single (! not session, as before, but) "Filter" (i.e. for every single look-up) this piece of crap goes back to its "text" default, i.e. to "center", and you either "live with it" (hence the need to use your phone in landscape mode then, or you will "see nothing", since it will systematically hide your core data, since it will only show the very first part of the author's name, no works' names anymore if your data e.g. is in the form
author's family name; (!)their first name (year) work title (some other metadata),
or you set, in some menu (several precise clicks), the alignment to "left" for every single look-up - so much for "crazy defaults", let alone settings persistence...
And, remind yourself, the "web" is unanimous: this piece of crap is considered "the very best" - good heavens!
Now, fortunately, I have found an almost perfect alternative, and which displays the records in full, in "portrait mode", very much readable, about 10 or 12 at the same time without scrolling (for my record lengths), and with just a tiny bar for the filter input and trigger, and I'm quite happy with it (here again, you can't "filter" for "and", but in practice, the need for that rarely arises).
Both ain't available for iThings, so I hope you've got some iPhone app, at least as good as my Android alternative, for such filtered list display, and will share? So that yes, you could say that beyond Mac(Book)s, and whilst iPads may be hygienic articles in the end indeed, iPhones have their justification, just as Android "smartphones" then have, IF you spend hours, days, searching for solutions, instead of following CRAP recommendations that is.
But then, yes, if your are a timid, single man, an'into book-worms, 260 Stützli or even 400€ might be a very sly investment!
MadaboutDana
7/10/2022 1:05 pm
My dear chap,
You clearly have a rather extraordinary mind.
Your anti-Apple rants are quite entertaining, but because they don't appear to be based on any actual macOS/iOS experience, not very useful.
And as you'll already know from many, many posts on this forum: a large proportion of forum members prefer/promote apps that allow you to reduce the actual content to text format in any case, precisely because of the risk of proprietary lock-in. Most of us are already pretty careful in this respect.
This is also true of the many developers who have produced such a large number of excellent apps for Apple environments that manage content in the form of text/markdown files.
And yes, as it happens, there are some excellent CSV file viewers on both macOS and iOS (one of them being Apple's own Numbers; I also use a little app called DB-Text).
I'm assuming you run on Linux yourself? That would be the logical conclusion from your various rants about exploitative developers, platform operators, corporations, etc.?
In which case it would be useful and valuable to hear some positive news from yourself on, for example, Linux outliners or info management apps. This would make a very pleasant change from the relentlessly negative coverage of "CRAP" software which you don't actually appear to use.
As for the latest bee in your bonnet – iPads and iPad Minis –, it's very easy to find negative comments/articles about almost anything at all. Just google user complaints on Windows PC-tablet hybrids, for example (and I've explained before why I switched my entire business over to Mac when Windows 7 first appeared).
As an Apple user, I can cheerfully say that yes, I occasionally encounter problems. Well, that's because I'm using an extraordinarily complicated but also rather wonderful machine called a "general-purpose computer" (to use Alan Turing's appellation). So complex is it, that I'm actually stunned and gratified that it works as well as it does. That's equally true, incidentally, of general-purpose computers running Windows, Linux or any other modern operating system – amazing!
So why not step down the carping criticism and focus on actual real-world scenarios. Tell us more about your actual personal experience of info management software, rather than stuff you've read about online. It would be much more interesting, useful and yes, even valuable. Seriously.
Many thanks and best,
Bill
You clearly have a rather extraordinary mind.
Your anti-Apple rants are quite entertaining, but because they don't appear to be based on any actual macOS/iOS experience, not very useful.
And as you'll already know from many, many posts on this forum: a large proportion of forum members prefer/promote apps that allow you to reduce the actual content to text format in any case, precisely because of the risk of proprietary lock-in. Most of us are already pretty careful in this respect.
This is also true of the many developers who have produced such a large number of excellent apps for Apple environments that manage content in the form of text/markdown files.
And yes, as it happens, there are some excellent CSV file viewers on both macOS and iOS (one of them being Apple's own Numbers; I also use a little app called DB-Text).
I'm assuming you run on Linux yourself? That would be the logical conclusion from your various rants about exploitative developers, platform operators, corporations, etc.?
In which case it would be useful and valuable to hear some positive news from yourself on, for example, Linux outliners or info management apps. This would make a very pleasant change from the relentlessly negative coverage of "CRAP" software which you don't actually appear to use.
As for the latest bee in your bonnet – iPads and iPad Minis –, it's very easy to find negative comments/articles about almost anything at all. Just google user complaints on Windows PC-tablet hybrids, for example (and I've explained before why I switched my entire business over to Mac when Windows 7 first appeared).
As an Apple user, I can cheerfully say that yes, I occasionally encounter problems. Well, that's because I'm using an extraordinarily complicated but also rather wonderful machine called a "general-purpose computer" (to use Alan Turing's appellation). So complex is it, that I'm actually stunned and gratified that it works as well as it does. That's equally true, incidentally, of general-purpose computers running Windows, Linux or any other modern operating system – amazing!
So why not step down the carping criticism and focus on actual real-world scenarios. Tell us more about your actual personal experience of info management software, rather than stuff you've read about online. It would be much more interesting, useful and yes, even valuable. Seriously.
Many thanks and best,
Bill
Amontillado
7/10/2022 3:35 pm
I'm not sure of the reference to "lady bumps" in this topic title. I am as quizzical, if I may join this celebration of the non sequitur, as a young Mark Knopfler who once wondered of a tragic victim, "I'm not sure how you came to get the Bette Davis knees."
Regarding CSV File Viewer, as best I can tell it's not a Mac or iOS app. My favorite Mac CSV viewer is what the eminent MadAboutDana recommended, Apple Numbers.
Add Easy Data Transform in front of Numbers and that's an extremely happy zone. EDT is an atom-smasher, blowing the most clumsy and vaguely related data sources into fundamental particles and reassembling them in useful ways. Plus, there's a convenient button to view intermediate or final results in Numbers. Or Excel, for those so inclined. EDT runs on Mac, Windows, and Linux.
I use EDT as glue between apps that weren't intended to interoperate, like transforming a Curio project into an Aeon Timeline file. Easy-peasy.
EDT can also be a siege cannon. If you want to follow money to find wrongdoing you may need to distill large and complex datasets. In this regard, always use EDT with compassion. Use it for good, not evil.
That Mac on your desk, that wonderful playground for the inspired and creative? It can be a devastating implement if misused. Please, please, treat it with the care it deserves.
Regarding CSV File Viewer, as best I can tell it's not a Mac or iOS app. My favorite Mac CSV viewer is what the eminent MadAboutDana recommended, Apple Numbers.
Add Easy Data Transform in front of Numbers and that's an extremely happy zone. EDT is an atom-smasher, blowing the most clumsy and vaguely related data sources into fundamental particles and reassembling them in useful ways. Plus, there's a convenient button to view intermediate or final results in Numbers. Or Excel, for those so inclined. EDT runs on Mac, Windows, and Linux.
I use EDT as glue between apps that weren't intended to interoperate, like transforming a Curio project into an Aeon Timeline file. Easy-peasy.
EDT can also be a siege cannon. If you want to follow money to find wrongdoing you may need to distill large and complex datasets. In this regard, always use EDT with compassion. Use it for good, not evil.
That Mac on your desk, that wonderful playground for the inspired and creative? It can be a devastating implement if misused. Please, please, treat it with the care it deserves.
22111
7/11/2022 5:23 pm
At Mad... & Amontillado,
For about 30 minutes now, I've been trying to find the start of my answer to your contributions - in Firefox, just one of those CRAP web "browsers" which are unable to correctly "outline" "your" current", "in-session" "browsings" - I must have clicked "badly", just once, and, between my 80 or 120 "open" browser "tabs", my answer start is "lost", i.e. not entirely "gone", but "untraceable", "nowhere to be found" - and we're in 2021, i.e. some some 45 years later, counting from the inception (advenience?) of the PC.
They all rely on "tabs", whilst tabs ain't usable but for 4, 5, 6 items... and certainly not for 80 or 120...
So much then for our concept of "outlining", "40 years later": "they" obviously give a crap on it... "they" just didn't "get" it... but then, in the last federal elections, 85 or 90 p.c. of German voters voted for collective suicide, then...
(Which arises the question btw why people who "see beyond" would aggress people "on their own side", but then, that (otherwise my dream country of) Argentina of the Seventies (e.g.) teaches us lessons about divide-et-impera, nay?)
(And then, Amontillado, you say you write for fun, and that's perfect as I see it, but some other contributors here say they write for a living... and then, why that doesn't show in their writings, here?) - To be continued...
(And yes, I'll have to write additional scriptlets, in order to manage and maintain several FF instances, together with their respective content, concurrently - their "factory" "performance" obviously being abysmal again...)
For about 30 minutes now, I've been trying to find the start of my answer to your contributions - in Firefox, just one of those CRAP web "browsers" which are unable to correctly "outline" "your" current", "in-session" "browsings" - I must have clicked "badly", just once, and, between my 80 or 120 "open" browser "tabs", my answer start is "lost", i.e. not entirely "gone", but "untraceable", "nowhere to be found" - and we're in 2021, i.e. some some 45 years later, counting from the inception (advenience?) of the PC.
They all rely on "tabs", whilst tabs ain't usable but for 4, 5, 6 items... and certainly not for 80 or 120...
So much then for our concept of "outlining", "40 years later": "they" obviously give a crap on it... "they" just didn't "get" it... but then, in the last federal elections, 85 or 90 p.c. of German voters voted for collective suicide, then...
(Which arises the question btw why people who "see beyond" would aggress people "on their own side", but then, that (otherwise my dream country of) Argentina of the Seventies (e.g.) teaches us lessons about divide-et-impera, nay?)
(And then, Amontillado, you say you write for fun, and that's perfect as I see it, but some other contributors here say they write for a living... and then, why that doesn't show in their writings, here?) - To be continued...
(And yes, I'll have to write additional scriptlets, in order to manage and maintain several FF instances, together with their respective content, concurrently - their "factory" "performance" obviously being abysmal again...)
tightbeam
7/11/2022 6:57 pm
I would like to submit again my request for the ability to block specific users on this forum.
22111
7/11/2022 8:03 pm
Ad Amontillado: No, I haven't found my answer yet, but McKee's short YT vid "Q&A - How Do you Reveal a Character's Hidden Nature" certainly is probably one of the most important hints any screen- or theatre writer can get in their life... and yes, the French give a crap about that one, too... but then, their "works" who do give that crap ain't "exportable" anywhere... (Btw, did I tell you the ultimate "Rohmer"'s by Christian Vincent, "La Discrète" (1990, with divine Judith Henry)?)
Ad Chris: Outlining has got a meaning, a purpose: it ain't "just technical": it's about info collecting / administration... and ultimately, it's about OUTPUT, hopefully not within the "me-too" range, but for something worthwhile. Thus, please excuse my digressions, I promise I always try to minimize'em...
And again, I confirm my very first impression that German's the richest language of'em all, today for example I desperately tried to get the English equivalent for "Verwandlung", to no avail: read Rilke, Heine, etc., and you'll be becharmed of the richness of what the allegedly unparalled language-of'em'all's able to express - n'yeah, I'm aware of the fact that the Nazis killed all-of-that... I don't really know if there's somebody out there who's aware that the Germans currently commit suicide, out-of-this... I'm one of those who FLED the "Germans" (i.e. incl. their "nationality) ... but not their incredible, incomparable heritage and tradition pre-33... I'm not sure if some people out there are aware of the fact that the Western World as a whole's currently committing suicide... falsely identifying, and then allegedly born-to-atone-for, with some the meanest outskirts, outreaches, of Western, allegedly ENGLIGHTEND mind... instead of every one of those individuals saying to themselves, I'll do better, e.g. I'll make my wife really happy, so that our kids will grow up happy... and that's all whoever could ever ask'em.
But no, even that's beyond most'of'them, and there we are...
Again, outlining, ANY form of organizing your "stuff" comes with a purpose, and whatever you call it, that purpose is OUTPUT, be it "Oscar"-striving, or just trying to increase your bucks - and here, we've got another proof for the German language: "vermehren", anyone? Does it occur to you that their pre-33 German was outright incredible, divine?...
Thus, at the end of the day, it's not about "outlining"... it's about what've got going to do (say, assume...) - about your plans, and their finality...
Well, at the end of the day, you outlining's not about organize what what you already know... it should be a tool to find, discover, present SOMETHING NEW in your "paper", right?
At "Mad": You're right, I don't like "Apple", but the moment they did something FOR us, I'd endorse'em again... and then, they obviously will never do, they're just mean, and I hate mean people... not speaking (again) about their innumerable failures re honesty, be it fails in their hardware, or "closing down" against "everyone", by their connectors, or their file formats... they also are censorship vanguard, and for example, it was them who "closed" any tumblr "porn", incl. art... yes, art - ok, 10 p.c. of that "porn", but censoring art's nazi, sorry for putting it bluntly, and from then on, such people ain't "satisfaktionsfähig" anymore, except for atonement on their side... which will never come, see?
And then, in order to not digress beyond any measure, and at Amontillado and all here, look into the YT "Creative Spark" series, with 12 vids up to now: you'll discover, among other Oscar Winners, David Seidler with his Nineties' software, together with his IBM Eighties' kb, and then, the incredible, literally possessed Dustin Lance Black's - cat lovers refrain!: your beloved Mäus'chen / mousie will create ultimate havoc - not with just physical (i.e. printed-out) index cards, but with STAPLES of such cards, every one of'em clipped to whatever "material" or "developments" they might intimately contain, be just the advert to... - this Academy Award winner displays, on his big, very big table, what he obviously, previously assemblied in some "outliner software" or similar...
a task that UR can easily do, but then, not as easily that is, neither Uly App nor DT.
And that's my point here: Finding - or creating, by enhancing something not yet that "ready from prime time" (as, or how, they say?), but "with potential"...
i.e. the availability to be appropriately enhanced, by some macros, necessary indeed, whilst software's coded by coders:
It's all about software helping you into producing output beyond me-too quality - if you use standard sw fare to generate standard fare, that's ok... but that's not what a specialized forum should be about.
Chris's with me in that, obviously, since every time I try to log in, I get thru, and so, I can continue to plead for producing something special; in our generations at least, lifetimes being set yet, let's try to do something right in writing: no me-too, no what'd-please-to-the-government... or then, just breed, and be a good father: you'll be the exception by the rule, there again.
(To be continued.)
(And here again: Alleged, self-proclaimed writers, show us you write: enliven our day, don't apply us your it's-good-enough-there: we deserve better.)
And yes, I fully endorse the M'O, the "Musée d'Orsay", and not only for Courbet's "L'Origine du monde" (cf. tumblr vs. Apple's manigances = schemings), but especially for Manet's "Balcon", and Renoir's "Bal" - none of them very certainly ever complained about their respective hardware... they just applied it to their respective genius... they used it as it came - us, on the other hand, we strive, and so we are entitled to the best brush we could get... since we simply need it, right?
Let's be honest, let's be plain: Our likes need crutches, in order to walk right beneath the really inspired, so let's aspire, and ask, for the very best crutches we'd get. Remember "Born Free" (1966)? Feel somewhat even lesser than a lion's mind?
- Don't work for the government;
- Think different;
- Be a good father (which implies: good husband);
... and you won't die, as all those myriads of sheep do though.
Be different. Outlining's a thing of less than 5 p.c. of the (even academic) population... isn't that a good start? Why then deny it in your respective thinking and output?
(And again: verleugnen, verneinen = to deny: what a depletion, and again: Verarmung being the special, pre-De-Enlightenment, German term.)
Very, very probably, and except for scripting, anybody producing real stuff should adopt Scrivener (Mac)... but then, the discussion'd be closed, right? ;-)
And did it occur to you that none of the Academy Award winners linked to above does their writing within the alleged "industry standard"? Be free's the "Losung", and no, neither "slogan" nor "scat" get it. - And no, that's not an excuse indeed, I remember, very fondly that is, that Pole, writing just wonderful English novels, Conrad.
But then, observe Black (from above): He obviously LOVES what he does, all day, documentation, physical work included: He KNOWS what he's doing. He's not a genius either, but - or rather: that's why - he may serve as our example:
He finally gets his stuff together, and that's the key for all of us hacks... n'listen to McKee... and don't work for the government. ;-) I'm serious, damn serious.
Ad Chris: Outlining has got a meaning, a purpose: it ain't "just technical": it's about info collecting / administration... and ultimately, it's about OUTPUT, hopefully not within the "me-too" range, but for something worthwhile. Thus, please excuse my digressions, I promise I always try to minimize'em...
And again, I confirm my very first impression that German's the richest language of'em all, today for example I desperately tried to get the English equivalent for "Verwandlung", to no avail: read Rilke, Heine, etc., and you'll be becharmed of the richness of what the allegedly unparalled language-of'em'all's able to express - n'yeah, I'm aware of the fact that the Nazis killed all-of-that... I don't really know if there's somebody out there who's aware that the Germans currently commit suicide, out-of-this... I'm one of those who FLED the "Germans" (i.e. incl. their "nationality) ... but not their incredible, incomparable heritage and tradition pre-33... I'm not sure if some people out there are aware of the fact that the Western World as a whole's currently committing suicide... falsely identifying, and then allegedly born-to-atone-for, with some the meanest outskirts, outreaches, of Western, allegedly ENGLIGHTEND mind... instead of every one of those individuals saying to themselves, I'll do better, e.g. I'll make my wife really happy, so that our kids will grow up happy... and that's all whoever could ever ask'em.
But no, even that's beyond most'of'them, and there we are...
Again, outlining, ANY form of organizing your "stuff" comes with a purpose, and whatever you call it, that purpose is OUTPUT, be it "Oscar"-striving, or just trying to increase your bucks - and here, we've got another proof for the German language: "vermehren", anyone? Does it occur to you that their pre-33 German was outright incredible, divine?...
Thus, at the end of the day, it's not about "outlining"... it's about what've got going to do (say, assume...) - about your plans, and their finality...
Well, at the end of the day, you outlining's not about organize what what you already know... it should be a tool to find, discover, present SOMETHING NEW in your "paper", right?
At "Mad": You're right, I don't like "Apple", but the moment they did something FOR us, I'd endorse'em again... and then, they obviously will never do, they're just mean, and I hate mean people... not speaking (again) about their innumerable failures re honesty, be it fails in their hardware, or "closing down" against "everyone", by their connectors, or their file formats... they also are censorship vanguard, and for example, it was them who "closed" any tumblr "porn", incl. art... yes, art - ok, 10 p.c. of that "porn", but censoring art's nazi, sorry for putting it bluntly, and from then on, such people ain't "satisfaktionsfähig" anymore, except for atonement on their side... which will never come, see?
And then, in order to not digress beyond any measure, and at Amontillado and all here, look into the YT "Creative Spark" series, with 12 vids up to now: you'll discover, among other Oscar Winners, David Seidler with his Nineties' software, together with his IBM Eighties' kb, and then, the incredible, literally possessed Dustin Lance Black's - cat lovers refrain!: your beloved Mäus'chen / mousie will create ultimate havoc - not with just physical (i.e. printed-out) index cards, but with STAPLES of such cards, every one of'em clipped to whatever "material" or "developments" they might intimately contain, be just the advert to... - this Academy Award winner displays, on his big, very big table, what he obviously, previously assemblied in some "outliner software" or similar...
a task that UR can easily do, but then, not as easily that is, neither Uly App nor DT.
And that's my point here: Finding - or creating, by enhancing something not yet that "ready from prime time" (as, or how, they say?), but "with potential"...
i.e. the availability to be appropriately enhanced, by some macros, necessary indeed, whilst software's coded by coders:
It's all about software helping you into producing output beyond me-too quality - if you use standard sw fare to generate standard fare, that's ok... but that's not what a specialized forum should be about.
Chris's with me in that, obviously, since every time I try to log in, I get thru, and so, I can continue to plead for producing something special; in our generations at least, lifetimes being set yet, let's try to do something right in writing: no me-too, no what'd-please-to-the-government... or then, just breed, and be a good father: you'll be the exception by the rule, there again.
(To be continued.)
(And here again: Alleged, self-proclaimed writers, show us you write: enliven our day, don't apply us your it's-good-enough-there: we deserve better.)
And yes, I fully endorse the M'O, the "Musée d'Orsay", and not only for Courbet's "L'Origine du monde" (cf. tumblr vs. Apple's manigances = schemings), but especially for Manet's "Balcon", and Renoir's "Bal" - none of them very certainly ever complained about their respective hardware... they just applied it to their respective genius... they used it as it came - us, on the other hand, we strive, and so we are entitled to the best brush we could get... since we simply need it, right?
Let's be honest, let's be plain: Our likes need crutches, in order to walk right beneath the really inspired, so let's aspire, and ask, for the very best crutches we'd get. Remember "Born Free" (1966)? Feel somewhat even lesser than a lion's mind?
- Don't work for the government;
- Think different;
- Be a good father (which implies: good husband);
... and you won't die, as all those myriads of sheep do though.
Be different. Outlining's a thing of less than 5 p.c. of the (even academic) population... isn't that a good start? Why then deny it in your respective thinking and output?
(And again: verleugnen, verneinen = to deny: what a depletion, and again: Verarmung being the special, pre-De-Enlightenment, German term.)
Very, very probably, and except for scripting, anybody producing real stuff should adopt Scrivener (Mac)... but then, the discussion'd be closed, right? ;-)
And did it occur to you that none of the Academy Award winners linked to above does their writing within the alleged "industry standard"? Be free's the "Losung", and no, neither "slogan" nor "scat" get it. - And no, that's not an excuse indeed, I remember, very fondly that is, that Pole, writing just wonderful English novels, Conrad.
But then, observe Black (from above): He obviously LOVES what he does, all day, documentation, physical work included: He KNOWS what he's doing. He's not a genius either, but - or rather: that's why - he may serve as our example:
He finally gets his stuff together, and that's the key for all of us hacks... n'listen to McKee... and don't work for the government. ;-) I'm serious, damn serious.
22111
7/11/2022 8:08 pm
"Posted by tightbeam
Jul 11, 2022 at 06:57 PM
I would like to submit again my request for the ability to block specific users on this forum."
I don't understand: When tightbeam sees a thread has been started by 22111, why does they click on that thread, to begin with? Didn't his mother tell'em they could get wholly new experiences, by pawing at the burner?
Jul 11, 2022 at 06:57 PM
I would like to submit again my request for the ability to block specific users on this forum."
I don't understand: When tightbeam sees a thread has been started by 22111, why does they click on that thread, to begin with? Didn't his mother tell'em they could get wholly new experiences, by pawing at the burner?
22111
7/11/2022 10:38 pm
Very happy to have been able to write down my last "real" post before reading that figure's implicit incitement to silence me; some people try to be constructive, others try to destruct.
And that's why many people with real "output" don't read critics, there's simply too much meanness and dumbness out there, and in combination, it literally puts to death, and even the legendary Ebert had been wrong more often than not, re comedy (and exclusively there), but for us, third-parties, his comments are among the very best education we could ever get.
I don't want to be misunderstood, I deeply admire Black's (see above) level of organization, and his writings, but when he says (my wording, and in the YT video I cited above: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrvawtrRxsw ) that it's not about making your protagonists relatable but being truly, fully themselves, he, according to me, wanted to express the ORDER of your requirements re your own work, and then I fully back what he says... but of course, it's called the "movie business", and it isn't but in the European Union where screenwriters are entitled to forget this basic fact.
Re Ebert, see for example his review https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/the-drowning-pool-1975 and what he says about visual style in there, and then, "but otherwise I [he obviously meant: we] didn't much care, and that's fatal for a thriller" - and we're back to the paradoxon Black allegedly had in mind:
Whom do we remember, from The Silence of the Lambs? The FBI women? Scarcely... but then, the serial killer's unforgettable - since he was perfect, perfectly written, perfectly "mis en scène", and perfectly impersonated by one of the greatest actors of our time (which also implies perfect casting).
Thus, when you get it all to perfection, Black's right... but then, view, e.g., "Un flic", and many more, in order to get back to earth... I don't advocate, "play it safe", but then be certain you've got box office material altogether, and most of our beloved Le Samouraï's tickets were sold years after 1967, to film buffs then like we are, in cinemas "Art et Essai"; also see movies re Yves Saint Laurent, Truman Capote, Francis Bacon: relatability is important after all.
But then, it's his incredible index card STACK management I mentioned Black for, here in our subject area.
(Oh, and when, "above", I seemed to have overlooked Fanny och Alexander, to mention in my little list of "overlong" films, that was because with Bergman's masterpiece, I didn't feel at some point, "and now it's enough!", but I would have been happy, had it gone on and on and on: just wonderful...)
And that's why many people with real "output" don't read critics, there's simply too much meanness and dumbness out there, and in combination, it literally puts to death, and even the legendary Ebert had been wrong more often than not, re comedy (and exclusively there), but for us, third-parties, his comments are among the very best education we could ever get.
I don't want to be misunderstood, I deeply admire Black's (see above) level of organization, and his writings, but when he says (my wording, and in the YT video I cited above: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrvawtrRxsw ) that it's not about making your protagonists relatable but being truly, fully themselves, he, according to me, wanted to express the ORDER of your requirements re your own work, and then I fully back what he says... but of course, it's called the "movie business", and it isn't but in the European Union where screenwriters are entitled to forget this basic fact.
Re Ebert, see for example his review https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/the-drowning-pool-1975 and what he says about visual style in there, and then, "but otherwise I [he obviously meant: we] didn't much care, and that's fatal for a thriller" - and we're back to the paradoxon Black allegedly had in mind:
Whom do we remember, from The Silence of the Lambs? The FBI women? Scarcely... but then, the serial killer's unforgettable - since he was perfect, perfectly written, perfectly "mis en scène", and perfectly impersonated by one of the greatest actors of our time (which also implies perfect casting).
Thus, when you get it all to perfection, Black's right... but then, view, e.g., "Un flic", and many more, in order to get back to earth... I don't advocate, "play it safe", but then be certain you've got box office material altogether, and most of our beloved Le Samouraï's tickets were sold years after 1967, to film buffs then like we are, in cinemas "Art et Essai"; also see movies re Yves Saint Laurent, Truman Capote, Francis Bacon: relatability is important after all.
But then, it's his incredible index card STACK management I mentioned Black for, here in our subject area.
(Oh, and when, "above", I seemed to have overlooked Fanny och Alexander, to mention in my little list of "overlong" films, that was because with Bergman's masterpiece, I didn't feel at some point, "and now it's enough!", but I would have been happy, had it gone on and on and on: just wonderful...)
Amontillado
7/11/2022 11:43 pm
22111 wrote:
Paraphrasing Myra Welch,
Twas battered and scarred, the old digital machine, and the auctioneer thought it scarcely worth his while.
"What am I bid, good folks," he cried. "A dollar, maybe three? Going once, going twice..."
But no, from the room, far back, a gray-haired fellow sat down at the keyboard. Wiping the dust from the screen he began to write of triumph turned tragedy and bright golden rays of truth, the hush in the room wrought from the passage of his words.
When he finished, the auctioneer, with a voice quiet and low, said, "What am I bid for the old word forge? A thousand? Ten thousand? Who'll make it twenty?"
And many a writer with life beyond salvage is auctioned cheap to a thoughtless publisher, much like a discarded computer. He is going once, going twice, he's going and almost gone - but the Master comes and the foolish market can never quite understand the worth of a soul and the touch of the Master's hand.
Your readers will never care if you used a Mac, an Android, a Montblanc, or a Bic.
Tools have no power beyond what a craftsman can offer, yet no implement is useless. Neither is a writer artistic because of his tools.
We writers are here because excellence calls from beyond worldly concern.
Which brings me to my question. Was I able to make you think when you read that, dear 22111? If I did, does it matter that I wrote on a Mac?
I think you have much to offer. Your suggestion of McKee's video shows you can see wisdom. There are tools I consider crude and substandard, but I always try to appreciate what their developers were trying to offer.
Try it. Look at something wretched and see a hard fought attempt at greatness. What you first see as a broken hulk might be a giant with shoulders worth standing on.
And here again: Alleged, self-proclaimed writers, show us you write:
enliven our day, don't apply us your it's-good-enough-there: we deserve
better.
Paraphrasing Myra Welch,
Twas battered and scarred, the old digital machine, and the auctioneer thought it scarcely worth his while.
"What am I bid, good folks," he cried. "A dollar, maybe three? Going once, going twice..."
But no, from the room, far back, a gray-haired fellow sat down at the keyboard. Wiping the dust from the screen he began to write of triumph turned tragedy and bright golden rays of truth, the hush in the room wrought from the passage of his words.
When he finished, the auctioneer, with a voice quiet and low, said, "What am I bid for the old word forge? A thousand? Ten thousand? Who'll make it twenty?"
And many a writer with life beyond salvage is auctioned cheap to a thoughtless publisher, much like a discarded computer. He is going once, going twice, he's going and almost gone - but the Master comes and the foolish market can never quite understand the worth of a soul and the touch of the Master's hand.
Your readers will never care if you used a Mac, an Android, a Montblanc, or a Bic.
Tools have no power beyond what a craftsman can offer, yet no implement is useless. Neither is a writer artistic because of his tools.
We writers are here because excellence calls from beyond worldly concern.
Which brings me to my question. Was I able to make you think when you read that, dear 22111? If I did, does it matter that I wrote on a Mac?
I think you have much to offer. Your suggestion of McKee's video shows you can see wisdom. There are tools I consider crude and substandard, but I always try to appreciate what their developers were trying to offer.
Try it. Look at something wretched and see a hard fought attempt at greatness. What you first see as a broken hulk might be a giant with shoulders worth standing on.
Drewster
7/12/2022 12:04 am
I follow this forum via RSS so each post arrives without the ability to filter them visually.
I’m sorry, 22111 but you need to seek some medical support.
Your screeds make no sense and read like the rantings of a madman. You are delivering no value to this forum and I suggest you find your own personal blog where you can write whatever you like and people can choose - or not choose - to read it.
Please leave.
I’m sorry, 22111 but you need to seek some medical support.
Your screeds make no sense and read like the rantings of a madman. You are delivering no value to this forum and I suggest you find your own personal blog where you can write whatever you like and people can choose - or not choose - to read it.
Please leave.
22111
7/12/2022 9:51 am
Ad Mad:
Tabs
So my first answer from yesterday is gone; after losing it, I first reloaded recently closed tabs, and before closing any tab, I checked if "behind" the current page in each tab, there was another page: to no avail. So this is just another example that tabs are among the WORST navigational devices, just ok for some 6, 8, perhaps 12 tabs, and allowing to read the respective title (begin), but beyond that number, you need something really better - hence tree form. (Old Firefox add-ins doing this don't function on newer FF versions anymore...)
Specifics re personally used tools, and re tools not used personally
You, Mad, now criticize for the second time (at least) my doing both, but then:
1) I always say I've got my knowledge upon the latter ones by reading web manuals, web comments, viewing YT vids, etc., and e.g. for DT I have viewed several hours of such videos; I also say please correct me if I'm mistaken with some detail, and I never present assumptions as facts.
2) It's a fact though that my writings about (just some, in fact two) Mac software are the best info anyone considering these software can get in this forum, and any "invitation" by myself, to (quite numerous) real users of these software here, to inform us (i.e. me and prospects for these tools) better than I can do it, are in vain, and it's a fact, too, that even trialing software (which Mac users would then allegedly do before buying), since in a short time frame and without "real data" - most trialing can't be more than just "playing around" a little bit in practice -, will not necessarily inform the prospect of the real suitability and appropriateness for their real work then, let alone in the long run, i.e. when additional tasks will have to be realized with that software.
And that's because the individual as a software prospect does not act as corporations do: the individual will not first build a functional spec, or when they do - which is a rare exception -, they will very probably overlook even requirements which will become apparent as being of high importance later on.
Then though, the software user will be more or less stuck with a piece of software which isn't really appropriate for their tasks at hand anymore, and most professionals don't have "crimping" as their favorite hobby. ;-)
Thus, in the absence of real software users' "interest" in describing the "real work" with their tools here, my "initiative" replaces their lack of interest in "sharing" somewhat.
3) Since, as I have mentioned and then even "underlined" above, software, whenever you look at its specifics, at its purpose (!), and at the "cooperation" of the former with the latter, is NOT interchangeable, or very rarely only, and then only for quite basic tasks.
I don't have to prove this here, just look at my in part comparative and in every case as detailed as possible software descriptions, even detailing what's possible "factory-wise", and for what functionality you'd need some (often simple, sometimes more elaborate) "macros"; of comparative interest in this respect: I can't remember having read about any such personal "enhancements" of their respective tools here, from other contributors, and even - or should I say: "as more or less expected by me"? - my "invitation" to give some info upon their possible Mac macros to "upgrade" their Mac software "out-of-the-box"... fell flat.
I admit though that a long time ago, I have ceased to read threads re online tools, and these are the majority here, so I might have missed such info over there, albeit I can't easily imagine how you would apply your own macros to online tools?
At the end of the day and from an objective POV, many of my posts are among the most instructive and useful ones here, but I was mistaken indeed, yesterday, as I wrongly assumed people who risk to get their adrenaline flowing when reading me, could just check for the thread starter (which is standard in standard forum software, and please forgive me, here, when you write, you don't see any thread if you don't load them into other tabs).
Unfortunately, I can't edit existing thread titles, but I promise I'll try to think of adding some (beware) or similar to any future title. On the other hand, whenever the title isn't but just technical but presents some copyright-value texting (i.e. threshold of originality for application of copyright law), you know it's by me, even without a special warning. ;-)
Tabs
So my first answer from yesterday is gone; after losing it, I first reloaded recently closed tabs, and before closing any tab, I checked if "behind" the current page in each tab, there was another page: to no avail. So this is just another example that tabs are among the WORST navigational devices, just ok for some 6, 8, perhaps 12 tabs, and allowing to read the respective title (begin), but beyond that number, you need something really better - hence tree form. (Old Firefox add-ins doing this don't function on newer FF versions anymore...)
Specifics re personally used tools, and re tools not used personally
You, Mad, now criticize for the second time (at least) my doing both, but then:
1) I always say I've got my knowledge upon the latter ones by reading web manuals, web comments, viewing YT vids, etc., and e.g. for DT I have viewed several hours of such videos; I also say please correct me if I'm mistaken with some detail, and I never present assumptions as facts.
2) It's a fact though that my writings about (just some, in fact two) Mac software are the best info anyone considering these software can get in this forum, and any "invitation" by myself, to (quite numerous) real users of these software here, to inform us (i.e. me and prospects for these tools) better than I can do it, are in vain, and it's a fact, too, that even trialing software (which Mac users would then allegedly do before buying), since in a short time frame and without "real data" - most trialing can't be more than just "playing around" a little bit in practice -, will not necessarily inform the prospect of the real suitability and appropriateness for their real work then, let alone in the long run, i.e. when additional tasks will have to be realized with that software.
And that's because the individual as a software prospect does not act as corporations do: the individual will not first build a functional spec, or when they do - which is a rare exception -, they will very probably overlook even requirements which will become apparent as being of high importance later on.
Then though, the software user will be more or less stuck with a piece of software which isn't really appropriate for their tasks at hand anymore, and most professionals don't have "crimping" as their favorite hobby. ;-)
Thus, in the absence of real software users' "interest" in describing the "real work" with their tools here, my "initiative" replaces their lack of interest in "sharing" somewhat.
3) Since, as I have mentioned and then even "underlined" above, software, whenever you look at its specifics, at its purpose (!), and at the "cooperation" of the former with the latter, is NOT interchangeable, or very rarely only, and then only for quite basic tasks.
I don't have to prove this here, just look at my in part comparative and in every case as detailed as possible software descriptions, even detailing what's possible "factory-wise", and for what functionality you'd need some (often simple, sometimes more elaborate) "macros"; of comparative interest in this respect: I can't remember having read about any such personal "enhancements" of their respective tools here, from other contributors, and even - or should I say: "as more or less expected by me"? - my "invitation" to give some info upon their possible Mac macros to "upgrade" their Mac software "out-of-the-box"... fell flat.
I admit though that a long time ago, I have ceased to read threads re online tools, and these are the majority here, so I might have missed such info over there, albeit I can't easily imagine how you would apply your own macros to online tools?
At the end of the day and from an objective POV, many of my posts are among the most instructive and useful ones here, but I was mistaken indeed, yesterday, as I wrongly assumed people who risk to get their adrenaline flowing when reading me, could just check for the thread starter (which is standard in standard forum software, and please forgive me, here, when you write, you don't see any thread if you don't load them into other tabs).
Unfortunately, I can't edit existing thread titles, but I promise I'll try to think of adding some (beware) or similar to any future title. On the other hand, whenever the title isn't but just technical but presents some copyright-value texting (i.e. threshold of originality for application of copyright law), you know it's by me, even without a special warning. ;-)
tightbeam
7/12/2022 11:08 am
And why do you assume I'm referring to your posts? What about your posts might lead you to draw that conclusion? Isn't it possible I was referring to MadaboutDana?
22111 wrote:
22111 wrote:
"Posted by tightbeam
Jul 11, 2022 at 06:57 PM
I would like to submit again my request for the ability to block
specific users on this forum."
I don't understand: When tightbeam sees a thread has been started by
22111, why does they click on that thread, to begin with? Didn't his
mother tell'em they could get wholly new experiences, by pawing at the
burner?
22111
7/22/2022 8:46 am
On the road again, and more about dumps, and, below, from wikipedia data onto your desktop (or wherever):
As said, I have NOT found a single adequate iPhone/iPad "app" for data dumps, but a single one for Android, and which on a cheap "smartphone", and for "hit lists" (i.e. "filtering") from dumps in the 1-million-char range, gives immediate and visually pleasant results, but for single search strings only; thus, you'll better put your dump lines in alphabetical order upon export, so that your "bergman, ingmar (year)" (by "berman"; "bergm", without the quotes, will suffice, too) will follow each other, in chronological order, and then only, afterwards, you'll get the movies with the actress, instead of a blunt mix.
You would have to do some scripting anyway, upon export, since diacritics, as you know, ain't people fed up to the core after a 3-hour slides show evening, but chars like ä or é, and searching for them on your virtual hand-held keyboard would be a nightmare, so ä>ae, é>e, ñ>n, ß>ss, etc., before the dump - you see here that just changing the default US keyboard to something - one specific - "national" would not resolve the problem...
Btw, I don't know why people use 60-bucks tools for transmitting files to and from their hand-helds, or even pay for annual subscriptions of such tools - they may be "necessary" for appleware then? -, since for Android at least, your USB loading cable, connected to your PC, will do it - works fine in both directions -, but perhaps if you load your battery by "induction" now, or whatever they call it... all I know for sure being that proud iMobiles users don't like it, but not at all, when you imply, use your iTablet in your grocery store, and other (grocery, not necessarily apple...) customers might think you're a clerk - well, wear a white coat then, and they'll figure you for the manager!
Speaking of dumps for quick reviewing info here, not for editing, then, in which case you would need better soft- and better hardware, and such inputs, in virtual keyboards of a handheld, are error-prone, according to me, and even for just new telephone numbers, it's always a good idea to ring that number immediately, also perhaps in order to check it the number's owner (e.g. female, diverse?) committed an oral communication error (e.g. in the above-mentioned grocery situation), but of course, you can also script the info way back, from hand-held back to your (more or less "stationary") Windows device.
As for two-way, I just read in some forum that between Scrivener and .fdx format (Final Draft and others), it's possible to transfer forth AND back your data, including comments (i.e. "ScriptNotes"), and while I do this, from UR to FD and FI, one-way - it obviously comes enormously handy to have this two-way and out-of-the-box - pay attention though that most web comments re Scrivener refer to the Mac version, not to the heavily crippled Windows version, you the above probably doesn't apply to the latter...
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Now for wikipedia dumps; you might prefer to look it all up "online", but in good'ol'Europe at least, more and more countries currently fall back to third-world standards, and governments think about heavily taxing "traffic", not the one of human beings, mind you, but the electronic one, so having "your" data at home, together with some good, heavy batteries might come handy for quite everybody soon, whatever:
First, "national" dumps-without-pics are near 30 gb, and the English one is about 50 gb - "download while you can!", hehe!
Then, you will have difficulty to find the "necessary" software, in order to handle such data, and - speaking for the Windows Club here only! -, there are some "XML editors" out there, with prices near (or, incl. VAT, attaining the) 4 digits, and you would prefer an "XML database" anyway?
Now there are several ones, even free ones, but then try to get the wiki data into them, let alone the "necessary" indexing, by the different "page" elements... but is that necessary, in the end? Good luck to you; I failed, since I'm not willing to spend a fortnite upon that "problem", and yes, there is some out-of-the-box wikipedia db, called "wikitaxi", the developer of which really knowing what he does, e.g. its size (after trouble-free import) is just a fraction of the original dumps (about 35, 40 p.c.), and the page title strings are indexed, so this specific search is instantaneous.
Unfortunately, the wikitaxi developer knows "too well" what he does, since - my assumption only - he deliberately (?) discarded any possibility to select, and to copy (and there's no comment functionality either). Dump import into your sql or other, general db then, with full-text search built up, upon import, by SQLite or the maker of the db? That's possible in theory indeed, from the "work-flow" that follows, i.e. your general db (i.e. UR in my case) will probably offer automated import of text files within a folder (and its sub-folders), with every file (i.e. originally: wiki "page") becoming an "item".
On the other hand, importing multi-millions of files, with together 100 or more GB, into your (even db-based) "outliner", would be an incredible "stress test" for that, and not speaking here of the "answer times" after import, or of the fact that in some months, you might be interested in "updating" your dump, i.e., technically, in doing, and then process a brand-new dump; the maintenance of this in a Postgres-backed "outliner" would be hassle-free, but there is no such thing, and my experience with SQLite ("outliners") will make me avoid that adventure before trying.
Hence: You will split those multi-gb dumps into single "pages" again, a file per "page", i.e. you will get multi-millions of files, necessarily spread over a set of (just numbered) (sub-) folders, each one containing a set of perhaps 2,000 to 5,000 files (up to 5,000 each is reasonable in NTFS; modern Macs though have got some other file system I don't know the characteristics of, but as said, describing the Windows work-flow here anyway).
You would have, for example, d:\w for wikipedia, then d:\w\f for the French wikipedia, and in there, d:\w\f\1...d:\w\f\400, with each 5,000 files, 1.txt...5000.txt, or .xml or .w or whatever you like, you then set in Windows a default "app" for that suffix, for "Enter" on the file system entry; instead of 1...5000 in every one of the 400 folders, you might get 1...2000000 instead, according to your script, or to the (free or paid) tool you will use, or you might create 1,000 folders in d:\w\f, each with just 2,000 files, whatever.
Now, how to split? I have not found any (even paid) tool which, instead of numbering the files, fetches the page titles, then names the files accordingly, be it with additional numbering, or even without; in fact, any worthwhile numbering would be by the page IDs anyway. Btw, the page titles may contain chars not allowed in file names, so your script would have to replace them accordingly, before trying to creating the files. Also, none of the tools will delete the trailing indentation spaces, contained in the dumps, and which technically are not needed for their xml construction - let alone discarding unwanted metadata like redactors, revisions, etc. - you own script could delete them easily, since that's the "beauty" of well-formed xml: you just delete all lines between and including and e.g. if you want your "output" text somewhat "neater".
Thus, from the (paid or free) tools you get, you'll get several millions of "page" files per dump, just numbered (also, in case, instead of 1...n in the form of a, aa, aaa, aaaa, aaab, etc.), all of them with all sorts of "content" parts which you may not be interested in, and with leading spaces before the ... you run then your own "cleaning", and especially "meaningful-title" script on millions of files (outer loop for the folders, intermediate loop for for the files, inner loop for the lines... and then finally "innerst" loops for replacing within some lines, etc.) - technically, this is no problem at all, but this "work-flow" means writing millions of files (by the tool), then opening, changing, and saving again, millions of files, one-by-one (by your script). (Some of the wiki pages being titles identically, you will need some lines of additional code, checking if the intended file already "exists" (in that sub-folder) as a homonym, and then adding "order numbers" (i.e. 1, 2, 3...) if necessary.)
Thus, needing your script anyway... why not do it "better"? Ideally, you could run a script upon your 50 gb dump, reading line-by-line, then creating the necessary, already-"cleaned" files, and that might be possible indeed. I, using Autohotkey, cannot do that, since the smartest = fastest and most reliable ways of doing this in there don't allow for reading but into variables (i.e. not files) of less than 1 gb, forcing me to begin by splitting - not in Autohotkey - the dumps into such multiple chunks.
With a paid tool, you can do just that, set a limit of less than 1 gb, than have the tool split "enough" "pages" into each chunk, in order to come as near as possible to the limit, but without exceeding it; for a 50 gb dump, you'll thus get 51 chunks, and then you run your script on these 51 files, similarly to the description above, it's just 51 source files for reading line-by-line, than millions.
You can do similar with free tools, but among them, I don't have found any that will do as well, since the ones I found will either set the limit by lines (but that risks to exceed the (here for Autohotkey: 1 gb) size limit), fetching complete "pages" (as the paid tool above does), or will set the limit by, here, 1 gb, but then fill up the chunks with as many lines as it gets, not taking the care to not split but after a complete "page"; thus, in the first alternative, you will have to set the line limit low enough in order to not exceed the (not settable) size limit (which will multiply the chunks), and in the second alternative, you will have a minimum number of chunks, but your script code is somewhat "complicated" since your "page" loop crosses the (chunk) file loop.
So I had settled for the first alternative, and the free split tool split 23 gb into 55 chunks, in less than 10 minutes (on hdd), and then I ran my (up to now, just "cleaning, analyzing and target file creating") script on one of those chunks, from which (i.e. 450 MB read into var, then working from that var) it neatly created 110,000 correctly processed and meaningfully named files (in 55 sub-folders à 2,000 files) in again less than 10 minutes; I'll now write the complete script, for the situation where the split tool will create, for 23 gb, just 24 chunks, with with "pages" overlapping two chunks, and this will run then, for processing the whole 23 gb and not counting the 10 minutes for the chunk creation, about 7 to 8 hours (the "pages" in the dumps are not alphanumerically ordered, and the "pages" within the first chunks tend to be much "longer", i.e. those contain, at equal size, much less "pages", hence the high "page" number mentioned above for a "later" chunk (110,000 for "just one" out of in fact 52 "and a half").
Then, the big moment - as said, I have already created 110,000 ("final", not "dummy") files like that, and "trialed" them -: All the power of Voidtools "Everything" (even from the command line in case, and incl. regex and all) will be available upon these - combined or distinct - "sets", for their file names = "page" titles, and if you buy some indexing search tool (in this case, you must name or rename your files to ".txt", or even ".xml", in order to probably take advantage of the tool's xml categorization functionality?), even the files' contents will be indexed, i.e. becoming available instantly.
I think I'll be happy with "Everything"'s power re the meaningful titles (i.e. file names), with which not only "stored searches" are possible, but also building of your own "collections", e.g. by automatic "renaming", i.e. bulk adding of some "collection" code (e.g. " .ar") to just the currently selected (sic!) files within any search result.
Needless to say that for "people on the road" (nowadays: "active people"), any (even 500 bucks, "Everything" is that fast!) laptop or even slate will do, but Windows it must be: Applers' mileage shall vary.
As said, I have NOT found a single adequate iPhone/iPad "app" for data dumps, but a single one for Android, and which on a cheap "smartphone", and for "hit lists" (i.e. "filtering") from dumps in the 1-million-char range, gives immediate and visually pleasant results, but for single search strings only; thus, you'll better put your dump lines in alphabetical order upon export, so that your "bergman, ingmar (year)" (by "berman"; "bergm", without the quotes, will suffice, too) will follow each other, in chronological order, and then only, afterwards, you'll get the movies with the actress, instead of a blunt mix.
You would have to do some scripting anyway, upon export, since diacritics, as you know, ain't people fed up to the core after a 3-hour slides show evening, but chars like ä or é, and searching for them on your virtual hand-held keyboard would be a nightmare, so ä>ae, é>e, ñ>n, ß>ss, etc., before the dump - you see here that just changing the default US keyboard to something - one specific - "national" would not resolve the problem...
Btw, I don't know why people use 60-bucks tools for transmitting files to and from their hand-helds, or even pay for annual subscriptions of such tools - they may be "necessary" for appleware then? -, since for Android at least, your USB loading cable, connected to your PC, will do it - works fine in both directions -, but perhaps if you load your battery by "induction" now, or whatever they call it... all I know for sure being that proud iMobiles users don't like it, but not at all, when you imply, use your iTablet in your grocery store, and other (grocery, not necessarily apple...) customers might think you're a clerk - well, wear a white coat then, and they'll figure you for the manager!
Speaking of dumps for quick reviewing info here, not for editing, then, in which case you would need better soft- and better hardware, and such inputs, in virtual keyboards of a handheld, are error-prone, according to me, and even for just new telephone numbers, it's always a good idea to ring that number immediately, also perhaps in order to check it the number's owner (e.g. female, diverse?) committed an oral communication error (e.g. in the above-mentioned grocery situation), but of course, you can also script the info way back, from hand-held back to your (more or less "stationary") Windows device.
As for two-way, I just read in some forum that between Scrivener and .fdx format (Final Draft and others), it's possible to transfer forth AND back your data, including comments (i.e. "ScriptNotes"), and while I do this, from UR to FD and FI, one-way - it obviously comes enormously handy to have this two-way and out-of-the-box - pay attention though that most web comments re Scrivener refer to the Mac version, not to the heavily crippled Windows version, you the above probably doesn't apply to the latter...
_______________
Now for wikipedia dumps; you might prefer to look it all up "online", but in good'ol'Europe at least, more and more countries currently fall back to third-world standards, and governments think about heavily taxing "traffic", not the one of human beings, mind you, but the electronic one, so having "your" data at home, together with some good, heavy batteries might come handy for quite everybody soon, whatever:
First, "national" dumps-without-pics are near 30 gb, and the English one is about 50 gb - "download while you can!", hehe!
Then, you will have difficulty to find the "necessary" software, in order to handle such data, and - speaking for the Windows Club here only! -, there are some "XML editors" out there, with prices near (or, incl. VAT, attaining the) 4 digits, and you would prefer an "XML database" anyway?
Now there are several ones, even free ones, but then try to get the wiki data into them, let alone the "necessary" indexing, by the different "page" elements... but is that necessary, in the end? Good luck to you; I failed, since I'm not willing to spend a fortnite upon that "problem", and yes, there is some out-of-the-box wikipedia db, called "wikitaxi", the developer of which really knowing what he does, e.g. its size (after trouble-free import) is just a fraction of the original dumps (about 35, 40 p.c.), and the page title strings are indexed, so this specific search is instantaneous.
Unfortunately, the wikitaxi developer knows "too well" what he does, since - my assumption only - he deliberately (?) discarded any possibility to select, and to copy (and there's no comment functionality either). Dump import into your sql or other, general db then, with full-text search built up, upon import, by SQLite or the maker of the db? That's possible in theory indeed, from the "work-flow" that follows, i.e. your general db (i.e. UR in my case) will probably offer automated import of text files within a folder (and its sub-folders), with every file (i.e. originally: wiki "page") becoming an "item".
On the other hand, importing multi-millions of files, with together 100 or more GB, into your (even db-based) "outliner", would be an incredible "stress test" for that, and not speaking here of the "answer times" after import, or of the fact that in some months, you might be interested in "updating" your dump, i.e., technically, in doing, and then process a brand-new dump; the maintenance of this in a Postgres-backed "outliner" would be hassle-free, but there is no such thing, and my experience with SQLite ("outliners") will make me avoid that adventure before trying.
Hence: You will split those multi-gb dumps into single "pages" again, a file per "page", i.e. you will get multi-millions of files, necessarily spread over a set of (just numbered) (sub-) folders, each one containing a set of perhaps 2,000 to 5,000 files (up to 5,000 each is reasonable in NTFS; modern Macs though have got some other file system I don't know the characteristics of, but as said, describing the Windows work-flow here anyway).
You would have, for example, d:\w for wikipedia, then d:\w\f for the French wikipedia, and in there, d:\w\f\1...d:\w\f\400, with each 5,000 files, 1.txt...5000.txt, or .xml or .w or whatever you like, you then set in Windows a default "app" for that suffix, for "Enter" on the file system entry; instead of 1...5000 in every one of the 400 folders, you might get 1...2000000 instead, according to your script, or to the (free or paid) tool you will use, or you might create 1,000 folders in d:\w\f, each with just 2,000 files, whatever.
Now, how to split? I have not found any (even paid) tool which, instead of numbering the files, fetches the page titles, then names the files accordingly, be it with additional numbering, or even without; in fact, any worthwhile numbering would be by the page IDs anyway. Btw, the page titles may contain chars not allowed in file names, so your script would have to replace them accordingly, before trying to creating the files. Also, none of the tools will delete the trailing indentation spaces, contained in the dumps, and which technically are not needed for their xml construction - let alone discarding unwanted metadata like redactors, revisions, etc. - you own script could delete them easily, since that's the "beauty" of well-formed xml: you just delete all lines between and including and e.g. if you want your "output" text somewhat "neater".
Thus, from the (paid or free) tools you get, you'll get several millions of "page" files per dump, just numbered (also, in case, instead of 1...n in the form of a, aa, aaa, aaaa, aaab, etc.), all of them with all sorts of "content" parts which you may not be interested in, and with leading spaces before the ... you run then your own "cleaning", and especially "meaningful-title" script on millions of files (outer loop for the folders, intermediate loop for for the files, inner loop for the lines... and then finally "innerst" loops for replacing within some lines, etc.) - technically, this is no problem at all, but this "work-flow" means writing millions of files (by the tool), then opening, changing, and saving again, millions of files, one-by-one (by your script). (Some of the wiki pages being titles identically, you will need some lines of additional code, checking if the intended file already "exists" (in that sub-folder) as a homonym, and then adding "order numbers" (i.e. 1, 2, 3...) if necessary.)
Thus, needing your script anyway... why not do it "better"? Ideally, you could run a script upon your 50 gb dump, reading line-by-line, then creating the necessary, already-"cleaned" files, and that might be possible indeed. I, using Autohotkey, cannot do that, since the smartest = fastest and most reliable ways of doing this in there don't allow for reading but into variables (i.e. not files) of less than 1 gb, forcing me to begin by splitting - not in Autohotkey - the dumps into such multiple chunks.
With a paid tool, you can do just that, set a limit of less than 1 gb, than have the tool split "enough" "pages" into each chunk, in order to come as near as possible to the limit, but without exceeding it; for a 50 gb dump, you'll thus get 51 chunks, and then you run your script on these 51 files, similarly to the description above, it's just 51 source files for reading line-by-line, than millions.
You can do similar with free tools, but among them, I don't have found any that will do as well, since the ones I found will either set the limit by lines (but that risks to exceed the (here for Autohotkey: 1 gb) size limit), fetching complete "pages" (as the paid tool above does), or will set the limit by, here, 1 gb, but then fill up the chunks with as many lines as it gets, not taking the care to not split but after a complete "page"; thus, in the first alternative, you will have to set the line limit low enough in order to not exceed the (not settable) size limit (which will multiply the chunks), and in the second alternative, you will have a minimum number of chunks, but your script code is somewhat "complicated" since your "page" loop crosses the (chunk) file loop.
So I had settled for the first alternative, and the free split tool split 23 gb into 55 chunks, in less than 10 minutes (on hdd), and then I ran my (up to now, just "cleaning, analyzing and target file creating") script on one of those chunks, from which (i.e. 450 MB read into var, then working from that var) it neatly created 110,000 correctly processed and meaningfully named files (in 55 sub-folders à 2,000 files) in again less than 10 minutes; I'll now write the complete script, for the situation where the split tool will create, for 23 gb, just 24 chunks, with with "pages" overlapping two chunks, and this will run then, for processing the whole 23 gb and not counting the 10 minutes for the chunk creation, about 7 to 8 hours (the "pages" in the dumps are not alphanumerically ordered, and the "pages" within the first chunks tend to be much "longer", i.e. those contain, at equal size, much less "pages", hence the high "page" number mentioned above for a "later" chunk (110,000 for "just one" out of in fact 52 "and a half").
Then, the big moment - as said, I have already created 110,000 ("final", not "dummy") files like that, and "trialed" them -: All the power of Voidtools "Everything" (even from the command line in case, and incl. regex and all) will be available upon these - combined or distinct - "sets", for their file names = "page" titles, and if you buy some indexing search tool (in this case, you must name or rename your files to ".txt", or even ".xml", in order to probably take advantage of the tool's xml categorization functionality?), even the files' contents will be indexed, i.e. becoming available instantly.
I think I'll be happy with "Everything"'s power re the meaningful titles (i.e. file names), with which not only "stored searches" are possible, but also building of your own "collections", e.g. by automatic "renaming", i.e. bulk adding of some "collection" code (e.g. " .ar") to just the currently selected (sic!) files within any search result.
Needless to say that for "people on the road" (nowadays: "active people"), any (even 500 bucks, "Everything" is that fast!) laptop or even slate will do, but Windows it must be: Applers' mileage shall vary.
Cyganet
7/22/2022 11:30 am
For the use case you're describing, I think I would try Easy Data Transform. Available for both Windows and Macs.
22111
7/24/2022 1:21 pm
At Cyganet: You're right, there are many more powerful tools than just more-or-less crappy AHK; unfortunately, that's the only scripting language & tool I can currently come forward with, so I can only describe the - successful, albeit inferior - Windows' "work flow" I do with GSplit 3, then doing - successfully - my AHK script - - e.g. most "splitters" (incl. much-touted HJSplit) just split by size, notwithstanding line ends / returns, and for much-touted awk - in/on Windows: gwak -, I don't even find - after 30 minutes of searching among all those crap alleged "download" "links" - a single Windows download link for some "executable" - obviously, the vast majority of "coders" just try to shine, instead of trying to share.
My way of "downloading", and of "making useful", at least works for the layperson (having following my previous AHK links) with, obviously, some speed yields, and I'm perfectly aware of the fact that UNIX has got much better tools, e.g. avoiding the chunks creation, "mmaps" being the "core search term" here, but then, I can't delve for a fortnite into these "just-speed- considerations" - if you've got some links-plus-code to share, I'll owe you.
My way of "downloading", and of "making useful", at least works for the layperson (having following my previous AHK links) with, obviously, some speed yields, and I'm perfectly aware of the fact that UNIX has got much better tools, e.g. avoiding the chunks creation, "mmaps" being the "core search term" here, but then, I can't delve for a fortnite into these "just-speed- considerations" - if you've got some links-plus-code to share, I'll owe you.
Amontillado
7/24/2022 2:47 pm
AWK is a great tool for the case where you want to read a file line by line, doing some transformation on each line, or on lines fitting a pattern.
Learn regular expressions first, then tackle AWK.
An AWK script is a list of patterns and actions applied to the whole input, line by line.
That’s a simplification, of course, but should get you started.
Learn regular expressions first, then tackle AWK.
An AWK script is a list of patterns and actions applied to the whole input, line by line.
That’s a simplification, of course, but should get you started.