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Posted by bvasconcelos
May 26, 2020 at 01:01 AM
Paul Korm wrote:
I’m confused. If a feature wasn’t there before but is not, then it’s >new (in most universes)—“should have been there” is not relevant.
I expressed that to me it was relevant. You expressed that you feel otherwise. I think this is all there is to it. Each one has its own priorities and access to financial resources to access digital products. To illustrate my point: had it been released a couple of months from now, I would not have been able to access a feature that was listed, but not included in earlier versions.
>I think you’re confusing Tinderbox with something else. There was never >a tick box in Tinderbox for [[wiki links]]. There has been a setting >like this in DEVONthink preferences since at least the early days of v2.
Take a look at this thread in the Tinderbox forum and you will better understand what I was taking about. Perhaps I didn’t make it clear enough, but I am not confused at all. It had a checkbox in the preferences to turn on wiki links, that is, to underline them and put them to work. The only problem was: it didn’t work. At all. (Bear in mind that wiki links are not the same thing as quick links, as Mark clearly explains.)
http://forum.eastgate.com/t/wiki-links-loose-their-formatting/2313
>Ziplinks work in Tinderbox regardless of style applied to the note.
>Tinderbox does not edit external files—RTF or plain text or anything >else. Maybe you’re thinking of DEVONthink in this case also?
No. I am merely expressing dislike for the rtf format since my notes are all in markdown. I never mentioned nor implied that it could edit external files. (Even though it can watch folders.)
Luhmann wrote:
I believe you are talking about something completely different.
>DevonThink uses AI to analyse your entire document and looks for similar >documents. This is similar to Google’s “page rank.” I don’t recall >voodoo pad having this feature.
>
It really has nothing to do with this. I already shared a link that shows how auto wiki links work and how it can be used to create a glossary/dictionary for reading ancient texts written in highly inflected forms (something that the aliases feature takes care of). Back links are also useful, of course. It allows you to go back to whence the reference occurred to analyse it but not to click on the word while reading the text and get where you want in the glossary (without having to manually add brackets to each and every occurrence of every known form of each word of each language being used.)
Posted by Luhmann
May 26, 2020 at 01:22 AM
I have not been able to understand what bvasconcelos has been trying to say, but this discussion on the Obsidian forums helped me. Looks like Obsidian is considering some kind of implementation of this, although there is some question about how it will be done.
https://forum.obsidian.md/t/freelinking/440
Posted by Lucas
May 26, 2020 at 03:34 AM
Although the discussion of automatic links and aliases should perhaps be a separate topic, I will just mention I, like @bvasconcelos, find both automatic links and aliases highly useful, especially for my anthropological work that involves lots of spelling variants. And it’s true that automatic links are a bit different, though definitely related, to Roam’s “unlinked references” feature. ConnectedText has automatic links (optionally), but it does not have a good solution for aliases. VoodooPad has an excellent implementation of both features. I did not know that Devonthink has both these features, so once I get back on a Mac I will certainly try it out. (Thanks, @bvasconcelos, for the helpful info!) WikidPad, for what it’s worth, also has automatic linking, and I seem to remember that it had some ability to handle aliases. I believe there are also plugins for some other wiki systems, such as TiddlyWiki and DokuWiki, that attempt to implement these features. I’m delighted that there appears to be a surge of interest and development with regard to this sort of software.
Posted by bvasconcelos
May 26, 2020 at 09:26 PM
Hi @Lucas, in VoodooPad, you may remember, one has to input each alias separately. What I like about this feature in DEVONthink is being able to input them all at once using a comma separated string. A year or so ago I spent some time inputing aliases to my glossary and all I had to do was gather the inflected forms in a special dictionary, apply a BBEdit text factory to clean it up and organize it and send it directly to the alias field of the relevant file using applescript. I made a Keyboard Maestro for this so for each file/concept this took less than 5 seconds. I don’t know of any other app that can do something like this! If you move to using a mac again and are interested, I would more than happy to share with you the scripts and materials (I actually have a github repo called DEVONthink 3 which should be easy to find).
Now I will shut up about this, since this subject does indeed belong to another thread.
Lucas wrote:
Although the discussion of automatic links and aliases should perhaps be
>a separate topic, I will just mention I, like @bvasconcelos, find both
>automatic links and aliases highly useful, especially for my
>anthropological work that involves lots of spelling variants. And it’s
>true that automatic links are a bit different, though definitely
>related, to Roam’s “unlinked references” feature. ConnectedText has
>automatic links (optionally), but it does not have a good solution for
>aliases. VoodooPad has an excellent implementation of both features. I
>did not know that Devonthink has both these features, so once I get back
>on a Mac I will certainly try it out. (Thanks, @bvasconcelos, for the
>helpful info!) WikidPad, for what it’s worth, also has automatic
>linking, and I seem to remember that it had some ability to handle
>aliases. I believe there are also plugins for some other wiki systems,
>such as TiddlyWiki and DokuWiki, that attempt to implement these
>features. I’m delighted that there appears to be a surge of interest and
>development with regard to this sort of software.