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Posted by Barrage
Jan 5, 2020 at 09:43 AM


Hey guys
I am fairly new to the world of outliners and PIM, but I am super excited by the idea. Ive searched for a community who might help me find the right fit…and here you are!

Honestly right now Im looking for a full featured PIM…Im considering MyInfo, UltraRecall, Black Hole Organizer, and…what seems to be the most featured, yet least documented, doogiePIM.

Any thoughts?


Posted by Alexander Deliyannis
Jan 10, 2020 at 11:16 PM


Hi Barrage and welcome,

It’s interesting that you mention DoogiePIM; as noted recently below, it’s the reincarnation of DoOrganizer that has been around for many many years:
Search for DoOrganizer in this forum and you’ll find many references from the past.

If you are looking for what we usually call a two-pane outliner, such as MyInfo and UltraRecall, I would suggest also taking a look at RightNote and MyBase. Each of these has its own strengths.

A more powerful option is InfoQube—though at first it will probably seem overwhelming.

That said, the main issue is to define what you would like to do, then assess which tool fits your particular needs and situation.


Posted by LB
Jan 14, 2020 at 02:23 AM


Hi Barrage, welcome to the forum.

If the world of Outliners and PIMS excite you, then you’ve come to the right place.

I’m not a hardcore user like a lot of people here are, but I can offer a few suggestions for you just starting out that would have saved me some time and money.  Actually, I still would have spent the time and money on them, it’s just fun in a strange way.

One of the first things you could do is make a list of what you want and what you want to do.  Even if it’s just basic, the more things you discover the more you can add to it to evaluate against the different softwares.  Also, you can post the basics of what you want on here and that will narrow things down for anyone to answer. 

Here’s a few suggestions for starting out. Think of what you’d want in the future also.

-First and foremost which operating systems are you going to be using.  Windows, IOS, Linux etc.
-Do you want it Web based or Local file based.
-Are you going to want to Sync it to your phone or tablet.  Does the program actually do that and have those apps in your devices OS.
-Do you want a PIM that’s basically the Calendar, Tasks, Contacts, Notes, Mail, Passwords, etc. or more of an Outliner.
-Do they have any programming capabilities to use to manipulate data.  Like InfoQube uses SQL (I believe) and NoteCase Pro uses Lua.
-How do you want tags to work. 
-How does it handle Import/Export of data.  What formats does it support.  What information does it include, etc.
-How does it do searches and what can you do with the results. 
-Does it use Attributes.  Do you even want or need them.
-Do you use Markdown,

You get the idea.

I think most if not all of the software has trial periods.  Check them out, see if you like the way they look and feel.  Use one of them to keep a record of the things you like and don’t like about them.  Run them against your list and also change your list as you discover the varied ways the different programs work.  If you find you like how X program does tags, then change your list and re-test and test the different programs.

One thing I would definitely suggest is to get a trial copy of InfoQube and play around with it.  It’s going to be overwhelming, but just know that.  Jump on the forum and learn a little each day.  It’s a really cool piece of software.


Posted by LB
Jan 14, 2020 at 09:31 AM


As of now I’m using EssentialPIM, MyInfo and NoteCase Pro as my regulars. I also use InfoQube, but more to learn at the present.

Here’s some of them that I tried.  Also, I don’t know if cost is something you’re considering, but there’s open source ones out there that are free and they range to a few hundred dollars.

EssentialPIM (EPIM)
Zoot XT (Don’t know if the XT has been dropped in lastest update.

TreePad (I think this one recently has gone under though.  Probably can’t buy a license for it even if you locate a download copy, but not sure)
MyInfo (Version 7 may be released soon, but you still get it if you buy version 6 now)
NoteCase Pro
KeyNote NF
Ultra Recall

and a few other personal wikis.

I’d also go through this Forum and see what programs people are talking about and trying them out. Even if they’re old posts.  I’ve found out a lot of new ones from that. 


Posted by Jeffery Smith
Jan 14, 2020 at 12:02 PM


Ecco, if it is still out there and runs under Windows.


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