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Posted by Stephen Zeoli
Apr 6, 2021 at 03:53 PM

 

I’m not trying to convince you to go back to Workflowy, but there is an easy way to pre-ad all the days of the year in a hierarchy in Workflowy and Dynalist. I described the method putting the dates into TheBrain:

https://welcometosherwood.wordpress.com/2011/02/24/personalbrain-as-a-management-tool/

But it works very well for Dynalist… so I imagine it works with Workflowy too. It uses a little date to text tool from our old friends from Brainstorm.

Steve Z.


Dr Andus wrote:

>Much of what I do in Roam I could have accomplished in WorkFlowy, but
>while in Roam each new day appears automatically (and forces me to plan
>for the current day), in WorkFlowy I would have had to create each new
>day manually, and despite the fact that it would only take seconds to do
>that, I just never managed to maintain the discipline. I’m sure there
>are people out there who are capable of doing it in WorkFlowy, because
>they have the self-discipline, while I need the software to discipline
>me.
> >Maybe this is what is meant by the affordance of a piece of software.
>

 


Posted by Dr Andus
Apr 6, 2021 at 11:06 PM

 

Stephen Zeoli wrote:
>I’m not trying to convince you to go back to Workflowy, but there is an
>easy way to pre-ad all the days of the year in a hierarchy in Workflowy
>and Dynalist.

I appreciate the suggestion, Steve. I think the problem is, apart from just laziness, that when the going gets tough, and I have 4-5 (or even more) extremely busy days, if the system is fragile (such as needing me to do too much manual input), it falls apart, and it’s unlikely that I go back to fix it. Somehow inertia sets in, or I don’t know what it is.

The way Roam automatically generates a blank new page every day and pushes the other days down somehow encourages me to maintain the discipline and even to go back and reconstruct missed days.

There is also something calming and optimistic about how each new day just offers a new hope of getting things under control or having another go at trying to get organised.

This Reddit post captures the feeling well:

https://www.reddit.com/r/RoamResearch/comments/gnrxsx/it_doesnt_matter_what_happened_yesterday_because/

 


Posted by Sarah
Apr 7, 2021 at 04:05 PM

 

Ken wrote:

>I also eventually went from Toodledo to Todoist, with a few stops in
>between, but am mostly using Clickup these days.  It is not perfect, but
>I do like it a lot.  Something to consider if you are interested.  As
>far at Toodledo goes, I cannot see going back.  The UI was a challenge
>when I used it, and it still has not changed.

Interesting, I find the UI in Toodledo to be very comfortable. It may be because the placement of menu items and overall layout remind me of my first mobile apps from the old days (Paim).

I signed up for the web version of ClickUp this morning, as the reviews for Android aren’t good (no surprise there). They’re not allowing me to skip the videos & have a busy day. (I know, I found time to write a reply…) And usually, forcing me to watch a video is enough to make me completely back out, but I’m trying to be more flexible.

What makes a basic outliner a good fit for me is that I review & check off most tasks after 12 AM, when my day ends - a problem for repeat tasks in ToDoist (and other apps). Butt a full featured project manager for the less mundane, more complex tasks (with dependencies) would be very helpful, especially now. I’ve given up on the Android apps, web apps seem to work much better. So, I’ll try ClickUp again, tomorrow.

 


Posted by Stephen Zeoli
Apr 7, 2021 at 05:52 PM

 

I get it, Doc. I admit that the daily pages feature in Roam is very attractive. I’ve been working in Hypernotes, which has a very similar feature.

Dr Andus wrote:
Stephen Zeoli wrote:
>>I’m not trying to convince you to go back to Workflowy, but there is an
>>easy way to pre-ad all the days of the year in a hierarchy in Workflowy
>>and Dynalist.
> >I appreciate the suggestion, Steve. I think the problem is, apart from
>just laziness, that when the going gets tough, and I have 4-5 (or even
>more) extremely busy days, if the system is fragile (such as needing me
>to do too much manual input), it falls apart, and it’s unlikely that I
>go back to fix it. Somehow inertia sets in, or I don’t know what it is.
> >The way Roam automatically generates a blank new page every day and
>pushes the other days down somehow encourages me to maintain the
>discipline and even to go back and reconstruct missed days.
> >There is also something calming and optimistic about how each new day
>just offers a new hope of getting things under control or having another
>go at trying to get organised.
> >This Reddit post captures the feeling well:
> >https://www.reddit.com/r/RoamResearch/comments/gnrxsx/it_doesnt_matter_what_happened_yesterday_because/

 


Posted by Ken
Apr 7, 2021 at 10:31 PM

 

Sarah wrote:

>
>Ken wrote:
> >>I also eventually went from Toodledo to Todoist, with a few stops in
>>between, but am mostly using Clickup these days.  It is not perfect,
>but
>>I do like it a lot.  Something to consider if you are interested.  As
>>far at Toodledo goes, I cannot see going back.  The UI was a challenge
>>when I used it, and it still has not changed.
> >Interesting, I find the UI in Toodledo to be very comfortable. It may be
>because the placement of menu items and overall layout remind me of my
>first mobile apps from the old days (Paim).
> >I signed up for the web version of ClickUp this morning, as the reviews
>for Android aren’t good (no surprise there). They’re not allowing me to
>skip the videos & have a busy day. (I know, I found time to write a
>reply…) And usually, forcing me to watch a video is enough to make me
>completely back out, but I’m trying to be more flexible.
> >What makes a basic outliner a good fit for me is that I review & check
>off most tasks after 12 AM, when my day ends - a problem for repeat
>tasks in ToDoist (and other apps). Butt a full featured project manager
>for the less mundane, more complex tasks (with dependencies) would be
>very helpful, especially now. I’ve given up on the Android apps, web
>apps seem to work much better. So, I’ll try ClickUp again, tomorrow.

It has been awhile since I signed up, but I do not recall a mandatory watching of videos to start using the program.  I hope that you find a way to bypass this, but then again, it may prove helpful.  Good luck on your evaluation.

—Ken

 


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