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Posted by Cassius
Apr 3, 2008 at 05:45 AM
1) I just tried running GV under Tame ver 6 pre-release in Windows XP SP2 Media Center Edition.. I do not recommend it. I found no real advantages and some drawbacks. I used GoBack to completely remove Tame. Too bad ...sigh :~(
2) Has anyone managed to get the GV mouse cursor to work under Win XP? I seem to recall that under Win 2000, I could mouse click on a GV menu heading to get the menu to appear. Under XP, I have to press Alt-F1 and then the first letter of the menu item.
-c
Posted by Chris Thompson
Apr 3, 2008 at 06:15 AM
You might want to try DOSbox. The mouse works fine for me in Grandview with the default settings of DOSbox. (I was using the Mac version of DOSbox but I doubt it makes any difference, I’m sure it works as well on Windows DOSbox.) Grandview does poll the mouse position repeatedly so it might slow your system down if you’ve only got one processor core. I know TAME is supposed to handle that by default, not sure if there’s a similar setting in Dosemu. If it’s a problem you could always reduce the Dosemu process priority so it just uses CPU time on idle.
—Chris
Posted by Derek Cornish
Apr 3, 2008 at 04:44 PM
Cassius wrote:
>1) I just tried running GV under Tame ver 6 pre-release in Windows XP SP2 Media Center
>Edition.. I do not recommend it. I found no real advantages and some drawbacks. I used
>GoBack to completely remove Tame. Too bad ...sigh :~(
>
>2) Has anyone managed to get
>the GV mouse cursor to work under Win XP? I seem to recall that under Win 2000, I could
>mouse click on a GV menu heading to get the menu to appear. Under XP, I have to press
>Alt-F1 and then the first letter of the menu item.
>
>-c
Hi Cassius,
I didn’t find the version prior to the Tame version you tested did much for GV. I liked the ability to fine-tune the display and things like cut-and-pasting, but it really slowed up scrolling and I had to take it off. Also, whatever I did to GV altered all my other DOS programs. I am sure there is a way to use Tame selectively, but as I was happy with most aspects of my pre-Tame GV set-up I just removed Tame.
I think the Tame developer needs to actually post some settings suitable for important DOS programs (like GV, WordPerfect, Lotus Agenda, etc). I don’t have the time to spend tinkering with it now that I have retired :-).
I don’t have your problem with my mouse in GV. I can just click on the menu bar to select a menu item. Have another look at the pif settings I posted in another thread recently. Maybe there is something there that differs from your set-up. I do have a vague (i.e. unhelpful) recollection that occasionally the mouse stops working, but it is a pretty rare event.
Derek
Posted by Cassius
Apr 3, 2008 at 05:36 PM
Derek Cornish wrote:
>... I don’t have your problem with my mouse in GV. I can just click on the menu bar to select a menu item. Have another look at the pif settings I posted in another thread recently. Maybe there is something there that differs from your set-up…
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I found the thread and your postings: You mentioned your PIF, but you didn’t give its specific settings. (You did list for JeePea the command line parameters.)
Here, again are the pif settings I use and listed in that thread. Do you have anything different? (Note: I don’t now know why I have the \A switch. Perhaps it had a use in Ver. 1, but not Ver. 2?) I assume you are running XP.
cmd line: C:\PROGRA~1\GRANDV~1\GV.EXE /A/V/L/T/W
font: TrueType only; 9x15
memory: All auto; uses HMA; protected -> off
screen: use window; all options checked
misc: Foreground, mouse and background: unchecked
Fast pasting and all Windows shortcut keys: checked
Compatibility: all unchecked
Posted by Derek Cornish
Apr 4, 2008 at 04:19 AM
Cassius wrote:
>
>I found the thread and your postings: You
>mentioned your PIF, but you didn’t give its specific settings. (You did list for
>JeePea the command line parameters.)
>
>Here, again are the pif settings I use and
>listed in that thread. Do you have anything different? (Note: I don’t now know why I
>have the \A switch. Perhaps it had a use in Ver. 1, but not Ver. 2?) I assume you are
>running XP.
>
>cmd line: C:\PROGRA~1\GRANDV~1\GV.EXE /A/V/L/T/W
>font: TrueType
>only; 9x15
>memory: All auto; uses HMA; protected -> off
>screen: use window; all
>options checked
>misc: Foreground, mouse and background: unchecked
>Fast pasting
>and all Windows shortcut keys: checked
>Compatibility: all unchecked
Cassius,
Sorry, should have given the thread url. It is http://www.outlinersoftware.com/messages/viewm/3543
To expand on what I said then:
Yes, I am using XP SP2 Professional.
Cmd line: Same as yours, except I don’t use /L/T/W - but probably should
*Font: 9x15: “both” is checked. (probably because I am using special fonts - see below)
Memory: same as you, I think, i.e. everything is on “Auto” and “uses HMA” is checked.
Screen: all same as yours
Misc: Same as you except Background - “always suspend” is checked and Termination: “warm,etc” is also checked; idle sensitivity is “Medium” (probably the same as yours); Shortcut key “Alt-Enter” is unchecked.
Compatibility: like yours (all unchecked)
*On fonts (above): I am using (I think they are still working) Uwe Sieber’s modified DOS fonts. I have his NewDOS Fullscreen >(Licence version) installed. They can be found at http://www.uwe-sieber.de/dosfon_e.html
The only other things I can think of are:
1. The possibility that there is another duplicate “rogue” pif somewhere in your system that is seizing priority.
2. I looked in my config.nt and Autoexec.nt files (both in c:\WINDOWS\system32\) and noticed that I still had references to Tame in the latter, but REMMed out - apart from a path statement to its exe file (which was uninstalled). It may be worth looking to see if anything untoward is in yours.
Hope that helps.
Derek