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Posted by Dr Andus
Nov 8, 2011 at 10:28 PM

 

I think the Scrivener forum advice for EndNote makes it sound a bit more complicated and onerous than it actually is. For me with EndNote it works like this:

1. I write in Scrivener. I realise I need a citation.
2. I go over to EndNote, select the citation, right-click and choose “Copy” (and not “Copy Formatted”) and then past the citation into Scrivener as e.g. {Bell, 1973 #7}. Then I just carry on writing.
3. When I’m finished with writing in Scrivener, I compile (i.e. export) the whole project as an RTF file.
4. I open RTF in Word, and the code still looks like {Bell, 1973 #7}.
5. I go to to the EndNote add-on tab in Word and click on ?Update Citations and Bibliography.” In an instant, the raw code is converted into formatted code according to the selected bibliographic style, so {Bell, 1973 #7} has now changed to (Bell 1973) and there is now a bibliography at the end of the Word document, showing Bell, D. (1973). The Coming of Post-Industrial Society. Harmondsworth: Penguin.

And that’s it! There are of course additional tricks in that Scrivener forum advice if you want to remove either the author or the date or add page numbers or add additional text to the citation such as (see e.g. Bell 1973) etc. But this can also be done at the end, in the Word document, if you find that easier.

 


Posted by Mitchell Kastner
Nov 9, 2011 at 08:20 PM

 

Scrivener refunded the purchase price less a 15% restocking fee charged to them by their payment handler.

I am giddy using Zotero add-in in Firefox with Writing Outliner which is an absolute joy. I hope you bio-types won’t think any more less of me but I discovered only last night that PubMed has oodles of free full-text articles, which as an attorney is all I need. Windfall!.

I am skipping UR, which I adore, and I am sticking everything-research included—-into Writing Outliner. For example, I am going to prepare a medically-laden article on carpal tunnel syndrome claims under a federal workers’ compensation statute: you know to need to know about CTS if you plan on winning or defeating a CTS workers’ compensation claim. I downloaded from Westlaw a DISEASEDEX article which I used to create an outliner of Word docs in Writing Outliner. As I go through the journal articles, I will cut and paste snippets into these docs along with my blessed Zotero cite, or add to my outline or modify it.

Btw: Scrivener said that they would be working adding a full-blown (I guess) bib/cite manager in the program. Externally invoking any bib/cite manager, other than Endnote, does not work because only Endnote will produce the citation in “raw”, i.e., a field code.

Cheers and thanks for all your comments and suggestions

 


Posted by Dr Andus
Nov 9, 2011 at 08:55 PM

 

Mitchell Kastner wrote:
>Btw:
>Scrivener said that they would be working adding a full-blown (I guess) bib/cite
>manager in the program. Externally invoking any bib/cite manager, other than
>Endnote, does not work because only Endnote will produce the citation in “raw”, i.e.,
>a field code.

I see. Interesting. I didn’t know that. I’m personally not that crazy about EndNote but I’m stuck with it as a legacy software, having already invested into it. I’m hoping to switch to Citavi, once I have the time to learn it and transfer my stuff into it. But for now I’m glad EndNote at least works with Scrivener.

Citavi users out there: does Citavi work with Scrivener?

 


Posted by Glen Coulthard
Nov 9, 2011 at 11:01 PM

 

Re: Citavi + Scrivener

I am using this combination now (although still early in my learning curve). Seems to work similar to EndNote, in that:
1) I have both programs open and running on a dual monitor system,
2) search for and copy the reference from Citavi to the Clipboard (using full program or smaller “Publication Assistant” window),
3) paste the citation marker in Scrivener; e.g., {Yin 2003 #393}
4) compile from Scrivener to RTF,
5) use the Publication formatter in Citavi to produce a formatted (i.e., APA, MLA, Chicago style) Word DOCX file from the Scrivener RTF, complete with bibliography.

Yes, it sounds as though there are lots of steps, but it is really quite fast and easy.

Hope that helps,
Glen

 


Posted by Dr Andus
Nov 9, 2011 at 11:18 PM

 

Glen Coulthard wrote:
>Re: Citavi + Scrivener
> >I am using this combination now (although still early in my
>learning curve). Seems to work similar to EndNote,
> >Yes, it sounds as though there are lots of steps, but it
>is really quite fast and easy.

Glen, thanks for that. Yes, it sounds like the exact same process as with EndNote.

I actually think that the full integration of referencing with Scrivener might be a double-edged sword. On the one hand it would simplify this process, on the other it may actually undermine Scrivener’s original purpose of being a writing-focused application. When I was using Word, I often found myself editing the citations, rather than focusing on the writing itself. In this sense I don’t mind that Scrivener is not fully integrated with any bibliographic software.

 


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