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DEVONthink 4 -- now in public beta
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Posted by satis
Apr 4, 2025 at 12:43 PM
Amontillado wrote:
>I’m surprised text editing can be affected by database size.
This was an issue for me with DT1 and got worse in DT2. Severe typing lag. One of several reasons (including not needing all the app’s features) that I switched to EagleFiler, which I think I’ve used since DT3 was released in 2019.
(That said, I ultimately gave up on using a shoebox app for writing in.)
Posted by Skywatcher
Apr 4, 2025 at 01:38 PM
Amontillado wrote:
>The AI stuff is worrisome, although the see-also functionality is really
>nice in DT3.
I share your concerns about the AI. There is no way I’m going to send my documents online to ChatGPT/Claude etc..
It seems however that there is the option of using a locally installed AI model ( Ollama and LM Studio ). From what i briefly seen, this doesn’t look however like an easy thing to do , although LM Studio seems a bit easier and better documented.
I think DevonTech is missing the opportunity here of implementing one of these local AIs directly in DT4. Most users who want privacy are probably going to look at the external install process of these 2 models and just give up before even trying…
Posted by Amontillado
Apr 4, 2025 at 03:30 PM
Something was definitely amiss, which is a shame.
EagleFiler, if I understand correctly, is a database used to reference regular files on your filesystem. DT is the same thing, really.
If you go to a document, right click, and choose “reveal in Finder” you’ll see the document is still a regular file. You can edit it with any editor you want, which will just be opening a file in the filesystem, not hooking through Devonthink.
That’s not the right way to use an external editor because Devonthink won’t update itself, particularly the file checksum it maintains to verify files aren’t damaged.
satis wrote:
>
>Amontillado wrote:
>
>>I’m surprised text editing can be affected by database size.
>
>This was an issue for me with DT1 and got worse in DT2. Severe typing
>lag. One of several reasons (including not needing all the app’s
>features) that I switched to EagleFiler, which I think I’ve used
>since DT3 was released in 2019.
>
>(That said, I ultimately gave up on using a shoebox app for writing in.)
Posted by Amontillado
Apr 4, 2025 at 03:33 PM
Agreed. I need to retreat to my home turf, Linux, or I need to get new Macs.
Because Devonthink is critical to me, I think I’ll overspend on a Macbook and use it like a desktop, too.
Oh, well, ten years is a long time to be happy with a computer. Except for being left behind by the OS, I’m still completely happy with them.
satis wrote:
>> My ten year old Macs can’t run recent versions of MacOS.
>….What happens with the usual annual operating system update from
>Apple? Will these versions still be supported by the old version of
>DEVONthink?
>
>I doubt you’ll see any updates for DT3 that aren’t important
>bugfixes. If an OS update breaks a discontinued app version most devs
>don’t spend the time/money to get it working for users who choose
>not to upgrade. There is a lot of good software that won’t run on
>your Macs, and a lot of apps that haven’t been updated for your
>old Macs after updating to new versions.