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Posted by Franz Grieser
Sep 11, 2019 at 09:40 PM

 

Thanks for the clarifications.

>Lothar Scholz wrote:

>> Sounds interesting. And you have a track record of creating and
>>maintaining a stable app :-)
> >No. I do not.

Oh, sorry. I confused you with Christian Tietze who (co-)created The Archive and a Markdown table editor (https://zettelkasten.de/tools/).

To follow up on my “database”/file storage question: So the data will be stored in a proprietary format on disk? No way to get the data out when I decide to stop using your app or when you (one fine day) stop updating the software?


But i think we all learned to buy software never on
>promised features and timelines but always on what is available right
>now.
>Products come and go, single developer or big corporation. This is not a
>kickstarter project.
>I don’t ask for your money in advance, i ask for your thoughts.
> >I’m an experienced programmer and do it since i’m 14 years old and now
>have hit my 50ths birthday a few months ago.
>So i think i’m at least more qualified then the guy from Polywick
>Storyserver.
> >Oh yeah, my german computer science master thesis was writing a search
>engine for usenet news. It was used by the once popular german search
>engine called “Fireball” in the early days of the internet in 1998. And
>my interest for information processing never stopped afterwards.
>
>>First question(s): You talk about a database. Will the data be stored
>in
>>a proprietary file format? What about the PDF files and HTML data that
>>can be added? Where will they be stored? And what about images, audio,
>>video, equations…?
> >There is no “database”. I like the NoSQL “movement” because they have
>shown the world that SQL and relational databases are not the only way
>to do things.
> >I have developed a preprocessed format to store the markup text and
>index the data field / hashtag parts. This is good enough. The markdown
>of cards and outlines will be keept completely in memory (mmapped so it
>can be swapped out by the system on memory pressure) without special
>indexes. The data size is hardly a problem. Let this be a few hundert
>megabytes but even a few gigabytes will be ok. Just remember all threads
>and messages in this board have less then 20 MB in size. So people often
>overestimate this a lot.
> >By the way exactly this question was why in feb this year i asked here:
>https://www.outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/8580
> >The data itself is written generational, so only the modified delta is
>stored to reduce write operations on SSD.
> >Because the program will run purely in single user mode on your own
>local database on your SSD there is no need for database optimizations.
>We have disks with transfer rates of 3GB/sec now and CPUs with a 40GB
>memory throughput with 8 and more cores in mainstream desktops and even
>phones. It’s time to use them.
>The program will not be cloud based but i want implement a Peer2Peer
>synchronization feature or an on premise synchronisation server.
> >PDF and HTML will be stored externally and so will any full text index.
>HTML snapshots are stored in a proprietary format to eliminate duplicate
>items.
> >I know very well that some people here love to have their data in the
>file system as normal markdown so that it can be accessed via Spotlight
>etc. Therefore i thought about storing a duplicate of the data in the
>filesystem or the very overengineered but fun idea to implement a custom
>user file system that gets mounted via FUSE and could provide very
>interesting access pattern to the stored data. Just for the case anyone
>want to run a script on them or import them elsewhere. Anyone old enough
>to remember the MH mail client? That was nerd fun. But there is no FUSE
>on windows so i doubt it will happen. 
> >Video and audio ... they will be implemented as simple file links,
>nothing else on the agenda at the moment.
> >For equations, i looked at the way how ConnectedText handles Latex. It
>is opensource and i think i could integrate that. But it’s not on my
>agenda at the moment either, but i say it has a much higher probability
>to get on my agenda then many other features. In the second round of the
>markdown editor tables and equations will be added. But this is 2+ years
>in the future.

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