Cataloguing the Different Ways the Mind Associates Itself with the Outliner Presented Screen

Posted by Foolness
Sep 13, 2012 at 07:39 AM

Alexander Deliyannis wrote:
>Since joining this forum many years ago, the only forum I have been a regular and
>long-term contributor at, I have been aware that anything I write will be put down in
>ubiquity and permanence (whatever this means in our rapidly changing world), and
>that it might be read by anyone, interpreted and misinterpreted, or simply ignored. I
>had never put my full name in a public forum before that, but somehow I felt that this
>place was right for it. Remember, this was long before Facebook, which then became a
>catalyst for personal identification in the web—for good or for bad.
> >I have
>written elsewhere that English is not my mother tongue, but I’m not saying this as an
>excuse. Just to note that I am unable to see the nuances others may be able to uncover in
>sentences of a few words. They may be there, or they may not. A future outliner
>historian might bring along a linguistic anthropologist and have a field
>day.
> >However, I believe that I am more than capable of identifying intentions. And I
>believe that the forum is, too; and that the uncoordinated but aligned reaction of
>several people here to the recent ‘verbose war’ says something (good) about this
>community’s joint culture. In fact, it is quite clear for me now that the reason I am
>here has little to do with software, and all to do with the pleasure of well-intended
>and respectful interaction with people I may never even meet in person.
> >I remain
>grateful for this, nowadays more than ever. The world is changing, and it is our stance
>towards the changes that will shape the future. To quote a recent Google+ post “There
>are real threats - 3m high threats - and we should stick together in the face of them,
>faithful to our ideals, but not naive”.
> >And to be clear: I believe it is attitudes and
>behaviours which pose the threats, not people. Speaking for myself, I want Foolness
>and Fredy in this community. I just don’t want them to dictate its terms.

Agreed. I hold the same sentiments. (albeit considering my skin is on the line here, this stance doesn’t help my credibility)

I will say though that this is also the reason why I used the username Foolness here.

Although I do not cover my tracks, Foolness I would say is a much more valuable identification to me than even my own real name due to the fact that my blogs, my arguments, personal details that even my real life acquaintances don’t know about are most closely linked to this name and the reason I use it here is also because of the community. Or the community, I have thought I have scouted.

It’s not much but I hope this little piece (which anyone can easily search on Google to verify) would at least show that I am not simply agreeing with Alexander to save face. In fact I am also saying this because I too am a non-native speaker. This isn’t the first time some forum has called me out on my long post either.

Even recently a kind forum whose community have been very hospitable to me is currently being plagued by a long FORUM post I am writing and constantly editing: http://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=32216.msg299771#msg299771

My only disagreement with Alexander’s stance is how he tries to speak for others about this joint attack and how he is not only linking me to Fredy but he claims somehow a person who makes 1 long forum topic is the equivalent of dictating it’s terms upon a forum.

Sorry Alexander, you can say you are not making excuses but empirically basic math once again goes against your supposed false assertion. You don’t help yourself too by once again creating this bs about Fredy and Foolness. It’s pretty clear why you want to lump me into that discussion.

But again basic math: 1 person (Foolness) making 1 long topic cannot dictate to a forum with posters where 1 Alexander claims he’s not making bs but clearly cannot even do the basic math on who has the dominant numbers to dictate anything, 1 mod who provides false evidence, 1 madaboutdana who has had enough and 1 dr andus who is either misinformed or biased towards what is trolling. This plus 2-3 posters who went to another forum topic just to turn this into an ongoing argument.

However let us assume you really don’t have that good basic grasp of the English language. Very well, let me educate you on these two words:

Dictate:
>to tell someone exactly what to do and how to behave

Go ahead and search this topic. I can guarantee you that I wasn’t the one who said someone’s post was bordering on trolling. I can guarantee you that I wasn’t the one who suggested exposing a lengthy post to the sunshine at noon. I can guarantee you that I wasn’t the one who told someone to throw any personal attack. I can guarantee you that I wasn’t the one who told someone how to behave as if a speed boat isn’t a row boat.

In fact, I have only presented evidences and elaborations to my statement. Even the so called interjectionists and interventionists never accused me of dictating anything until you did.

Need I also remind you that the slimmest possible entry I had that could be considered as dictating your behaviour, you did not follow which was to make another forum topic? In fact even your recent reply here can be construed as once again turning this all on you albeit without the blatant accusations this time.

You turned this about who you want to stay or not. Polite or impolite as this is, this is still a topic about mindsets. Now by posting in such a manner, we’re once again talking about you and your feelings.

Not only this but any semblance of diplomacy on your part falls apart when we consider how you dropped the subject of the topic you were talking about. Not even talking about Wikipedia or collaboration anymore. No, you want to talk about who belongs to you and you try to behind a false sense of unity when in fact, the community is not unified here which leads me to referring you to the 2nd word you should learn.

Mod vs. community

community:
agreement as to goals

Here’s a basic outline of each of the joint goals the “community” so far has agreed upon:

1 person wants to talk about who they think should be kicked or should stay but they didn’t want a “minority” (as I don’t even associate myself with Fredy. You want to talk about derogatory claims? Fredy lumped me as his defender rather than a neutral observer which is a greater and more dangerous label than derogatorily claiming someone as an expert as you so said before) to dictate the forum
1 person has had enough and wants to limit my post to 3 tightly placed paragraphs
1 person wants me to make a blog
1 person wants a posting limit set on the forum
1 person is thanking the mod for “clearly” replying to me.

You know how you can unite all of that goals in one subtree? You can’t. At least not objectively.

The only unity that list has is the united “feeling” of “I don’t like reading long posts” which is not even a goal but an emotion.

Here’s the english definition for mob:

verb
if a large group of people mob someone or something, they surround them in an angry or excited way

noun
a disorderly crowd of people

etymology

1680s, “disorderly part of the population, rabble,” slang shortening of mobile, mobility “common people, populace, rabble” (1670s, probably with a conscious play on nobility), from L. mobile vulgus “fickle common people” (the phrase attested c.1600 in English), from mobile, neuter of mobilis “fickle, movable, mobile” (see mobile (adj.)). In Australia and New Zealand, used without disparagement for “a crowd.” Meaning “gang of criminals working together” is from 1839, originally of thieves or pick-pockets; American English sense of “organized crime in general” is from 1927.

The Mob was not a synonym for the Mafia. It was an alliance of Jews, Italians, and a few Irishmen, some of them brilliant, who organized the supply, and often the production, of liquor during the thirteen years, ten months, and nineteen days of Prohibition. ... Their alliance—sometimes called the Combination but never the Mafia—was part of the urgent process of Americanizing crime. [Pete Hamill, “Why Sinatra Matters,” 1998]

Mob scene “crowded place” first recorded 1922.

You want to know what fickle is? Fickle is when a person was talking about kanbans, then talked NOT of mentioning collaborative tools but instead talked about how that’s all THEY think about and then prior to that talks about speed boat and row boats and later to that talks about paper vs. software (on a software outlining post) and then later on comes back only to mimic his peers and talk about “this” guy instead of staying true to their conviction on talking about the tools, their collaborative needs and Wikipedia and desktop vs. web services and simplicity and real world and physical world. In short, fickle would be someone talking about a multi-topic subject ABOUT THEMSELVES and then switching to talking about a singular topic ABOUT HOW THEY WANT A PERSON TO BE DICTATED UPON.

Again, this may come off rude but i hope you receive this as clarification for what you are doing. Much as my earlier replies were intended to be. Think of it as a guide from one bad non-native English speaker to another bad non-native English speaker. I know you can think for yourself but it can be tough when it is so easy to just hide among the tyranny of mobthink and state you hold a unified empathy towards the plight of your fellow community mates only to be shown how contradictory and egotistic your words are when analyzed upon…but still you must fight through this! You are a user capable of great posts. In fact, if you remember, you are one of the old timers who are well known for talking and making topics about outliner theory just as much as you recommend software. You didn’t used to make up falsehoods with no proof such as claiming someone is challenging people he didn’t challenge or someone is making multi-topic subjects when they are not or such as claiming you have bad nuance of English and then suddenly you are capable of identifying not just your intentions but the intention of an entire community while showing no evidence of proving so. Persist sir. Persist!