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Posted by Stephen Zeoli
Apr 12, 2018 at 10:21 PM


It’s nice of you to say that. Thank you.

I started writing about Tinderbox several years ago when Scrivener users got a special discount on Tbx and a lot of them bought it, then complained they couldn’t figure out how to use it. I tried to convince those who’d already invested in the app to see that they could do a lot with it without knowing all the deep, intricate techniques. I’ve never tried to convince anyone to buy the app, only not to be overly intimidated by it if they already had spent the money. Just using the Map view without agents, or aliases or syntax can be really helpful.

Anyway, if I’ve helped a bit, I’m glad to know it.

Steve Z.

Jeffery Smith wrote:
Whenever I refer to Stephen Stephen Zeoli’s Tinderbox tutorials, I’m
>immediately compelled to open Tinderbox and pour my life into it.
>Perhaps I should remove the competing programs from my Mac altogether. I
>remember doing that with Ecco Pro in my Windows days.
> >Jeffery
> >


Posted by Lothar Scholz
Apr 13, 2018 at 06:14 PM


Pierre Paul Landry wrote:
> >Thanks for mentioning InfoQube Jon ! I do my best to provide the best
>information management tool, outliner-like or not (because outliners are
>not always the Holy Grail)

You should look into your InfoQube installation. I now get a serious virus warning from the latest installer download.


Posted by Pierre Paul Landry
Apr 13, 2018 at 09:04 PM


Lothar Scholz wrote:
>You should look into your InfoQube installation. I now get a serious virus warning from the latest installer download.

Thanks Lothar for reporting this. What anti-virus are you using ?

I just re-tested and it shows it is clean here…

Also did a scan on VirusTotal. Here is the report:

Out of 67 anti-virus, only 1 reported a virus: BACKDOOR.Trojan from Dr Web, a common false positive.

Perhaps try to re-download.




Posted by Dr Andus
Apr 13, 2018 at 09:57 PM


Looks like this thread has turned into our usual annual review, so I’ll add my reflections then.

I haven’t started using any new software or service in the past year. If anything, I have been using fewer, though my usage pattern has changed.

My most frequently used outliners are WorkFlowy and Gingko. I use these two on a daily basis. Besides being great outliners, the main reason behind it is the fact that they’re online, so I can use them across various devices, and also because I can have them automatically open in a Chrome tab (and most of the time I have multiple tabs with them open), so they also work well as reminders of the various projects and categories of tasks I work on.

On my Chromebooks I do most of my plain text writing in Caret, and on Windows I use an old version of NoteTab for snippets, and WriteMonkey v. 2.7 for longer pieces.

ConnectedText is still my main notes database, but I use it less often now for other types of organising, as I only turn on my Windows laptop if I really have to; otherwise I much prefer to work online on one of my Chromebooks.

For handwritten notes I’m still using Boogie Board Sync.

So it looks like I’ve cured my CRIMP as far as software are concerned. I’m a lot more interested now in trying out new organisational processes and tool chains with stuff I already have (in fact that’s another reason why I like WorkFlowy and Gingko, because they are so pliable towards new uses), or adding in analogue bits, such as whiteboards or paper index cards.

But I still salivate after cool new hardware that I can’t afford, such as the Google Pixelbook, or the other Chromebooks with stylus support that are starting to come out, or various monochrome note-taking devices that have been mentioned recently on this forum.


Posted by Mark
Apr 13, 2018 at 11:18 PM


Emacs Org mode user here.

Enough has been said about it elsewhere but I’ll add one change for me since I began using it in 2015. It may interest a few here.

I now pay $7 a month for a private Github account so I can post my files online and have access to them anywhere. Github supports org files, so when they’re uploaded via Git or Github’s desktop app they’re properly formatted. You can search and edit files online using Github’s interface if needed, and there’s a useful Kanban-style organizational tool I’ve begun to use for projects.

It’s geeky as hell, but I like that Emacs satisfies most of my CRIMP tendencies and will likely be around for another 42 years. That’s about two decades longer than I’m likely to be around.


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