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Posted by Arnold
Nov 19, 2017 at 09:15 PM


Dr Andus wrote:
>Not sure how I missed this app. I was a big Palm fan back in the day,
>but Bonsai and SplashNotes are the outliners I remember coming across.
> >How is the ShadowPlan desktop companion for Windows? Is it on par in
>terms of sophistication with Bonsai?

Have not used Bonsai so can not compare.

ShadowPlan on the Palm was (is) the best single pane outline application in terms of use imho. project manager, task list and documents. Use it for procedures and projects still today.

The desktop had a few quirks that would bite (especially if you told it not to sync between pda and desktop), text based not fancy formatting (bold/italic/underline), bullets are best left to dashes or asterisks not auto generating.

Assigning dates to a task was simple (Start/Target/Finish), notes for subhead could be a few k in size which is plenty most days in my line of work/use.

Am moving to EMACS Orgmode currently since there is no future, the Palm E2 is long in tooth (~ 2005) so the battery can not last too much longer. Still better than the Apple iPod Touch in battery time usage.

Nice simple design, closet thing to paper & portability that finds a place in my pocket or kit.


Posted by Arnold
Nov 20, 2017 at 03:11 PM


Of course lastnight I had to find old file notes that is stored in Agenda. This does not happen often, yet would wager this happens to more people than just myself.

Old data and applications sometimes must be used.  Lucky I had the file stored offline and could recover the application and datastore.

Should migrate from old applications to new is great 20/20 hindsight.


Posted by Dr Andus
Nov 22, 2017 at 10:28 AM


Arnold wrote:

>ShadowPlan on the Palm was (is) the best single pane outline application
>in terms of use imho. project manager, task list and documents. Use it
>for procedures and projects still today.

Thanks for the reply. The desktop app does sound quite similar to Bonsai.

>Have not used Bonsai so can not compare.

I summarised the key features and benefits of Bonsai here:



Posted by satis
Nov 22, 2017 at 12:05 PM


The oldest Mac app I (occasionally) use is the Opal outliner by David Dunham.


It’s the exact same app as his original 1986(?) outliner for the Mac called Acta. He sold the app in the 90s, it was renamed DynoNotepad, then it eventually disappeared. He apparently bought back the rights to it then recoded it to work on modern, non-PowerPC Macs.

If you’ve got one of those old Macs, Dunham has released Acta for free use:


Opal is basic and fast and I still am able to access and edit my 1980s outlines. For hardcore outlining I currently use other options but Opal still runs - and well - and imports/exports OPML.

The oldest Mac app in my Apps folder is ClipEdit from 2006, which lets you edit Mac text clippings & picture clippings:



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